After they all declaring Nagasu the landslide winner over Flatt it turned out that she only barely placed second! There whole commentating was about takeoff revolve land and act like that was all there was too it!
genki said:
Well, Ii am not so sure about this. The problem of the COP, I believe, is that the Socres are becoming farther and farther away from the impression of the ordinary spectators. Even maybe from the professional commentators. " Remember the Scott Hamilton was declaring Mirai as a winner before finding out Rachel won in reality in Nationals?
I had thought Mirai won decisively too. But I accepted the UR calls and the outcome, as did the competitors.
That's why there's the Tech Panel who uses ultra slow video to determine the exact executions rather than by impressions. The Tech panel is the most objective part of the COP scoring because judges are liable to more subjectivity which is why there are strict guidelines and bullet points for them to follow.
The COP system was devised and adopted so that when people like you and me argue or cry injustice, there is something to go by. These days we have the aid of technology and often the Tech calls can be varified with slo mo. Facts have to be accepted. People have very different impressions and everyone feels their impression/opinion is the most valid one. There would rarely be any consensus, especially for international competitions when nationalism, familiarity and "love" all play parts in the impressions formed. That's why there's a panel of 9 judges from different nations.
I used Patrick's SP skated as a show program and as a competitive program to demonstrate impression vs COP scoring. Do you,
genki, think the show program is better than the competitive one and would feel better if he skated that and won because it was clean? Do you think a system judging by impression is fair to skaters with actual better skills and doing more difficult elements? Will people ever agree with the judges' impression?
I know you love Patrick and want him to do well. But can you honestly feel that he deserves to be in final with 8 falls?
Yes I love Patrick (and a few others) and want him to do well. But that doesn't mean I think he should win no matter what. I don't care for Lysacek but I congratulated his Olympic win as deserving because he did the best that day under the judging system. I congratulated Verner's win over Patrick in COR too. I am able to accept outcomes demonstrated to be fair and by the rules. I'm satisfied that even if there's so much uproar about Patick's scores, they are justified. It's good to hear you don't hate him but I find there's so much over-reaction to his wins yet most of the anger is not rational. People just keep insisting he didn't earn his scores and come up with all kinds of ridiculous conclusions to "explain" the situations, all unfounded, unsupported and yet taken and insisted as truths. People never minded that he was underscored for his 2009 WC SP and they forget that he came up 6th in
Skate Canada 2009, or that he came up pretty low for the two GPF he competed in. No, he doesn't always win. But when he does, people think he's gifted regardless of how the protocols show he earns his marks by doing more and higher level elements and doing them well.
Because there was so much complaining from the quad squad, ISU adjusted the scoring the way they wanted. On top of incentives for quads, they eliminated a footwork sequence from the SP and assigned a measly 2 points to the 2nd footwork sequence in the LP. Can you say the officials just love Patrick Chan and want him to win no matter what? It seems to me they really try to make it difficult for him to win.
So did Patrick and his team whine about these changes? No, instead he added quads to his programs and he still devotes over 30 leg-burning seconds flying and throwing himself around all over the rink doing that 2nd footwork sequence worth 2 points when a 1-second 3T, the easiest triple jump, is worth 4.1 points, 4.51 with bonus. That's how he earns his PCS, by working hard on the ice, and getting up fast after a fall and attacking the next element. Patrick and his team work with the system, adapting to it when changes are made. Team Chan and Skate Canada never lobied for scoring changes. The system is a level playing field, with all rules and point values open to all. It's part of the competition to understand it well and optimize one's program accordingly.
Unless the system changes again, you may have to learn to look at all that a skater does do on the ice instead of just focusing on falls. And what has Patrick done this season? He has earned the highest scores for the most difficult elements of all competitors, thus making up for the falls, which were mostly near misses.
For me, it's fascinating to watch a talented skater struggle challenging himself on the way up whereas watching one struggle on the way down is rather sad. Patrick has fallen in 2 minor competions, making personal milestones nonetheless. Let's wait and see how he does compared to the top skaters in the major competitions before condemning him and the system.
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