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ISU Where Will Worlds BE (formerly) JAPAN QUAKE FOR WORLDS

Universal Sports has a really good article that looks definitive.
Just to clarify -- the article is by the Associated Press. :) Universal Sports re-publishes AP (Reuters and other newswire articles) on their site.

I believe the 11 members of the ISU Council were listed earlier in this thread -- here they are again:

President
Ottavio Cinquanta Italy

1st Vice President
Figure Skating: David Dore Canada

2nd Vice President
Speed Skating: Jan Dijkema Netherlands

Members:

Figure Skating
Marie Lundmark Finland
Junko Hiramatsu Japan
Phyllis Howard USA
Tjasa Andrée-Prosenc Slovenia

Speed Skating
György Martos Hungary
German Panov Russia
Li Lan China
Roland Maillard Switzerland
 
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If GS members are going to watch Worlds on TV, can anyone explain why it matters where the competition is held?

If GS members are going to travel to watch the competition LIVE, then where it is, is important.
 
These are actual bids that have gone to the ISU, Joe, what makes you think they aren't? I've seen all the info on the "what countries bid" with links, so they have to be real bids.
I haven't read their proposals. Is there a link to such proposals. As I've said, it makes no difference to me where the Worlds is held as long as it is held. Since my spine has caused me much problems, I no longer travel to venues; just watch the competitions on TV.

Oh yes, I am worried about how the TV (particularly in the US) will play out on UniSport. i believe it will be LIVE but will all the competitors be shown?
 
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If GS members are going to watch Worlds on TV, can anyone explain why it matters where the competition is held?

If GS members are going to travel to watch the competition LIVE, then where it is, is important.

That's one way to look at it but it is only part of the story.
Others have an interest in how this will play out and watching this unfold has offered a glimpse into how the governing body of figure skating works.

The frequently reviled Hersh has been on top of this story and I have read his reports with interest.
Many of us are interested in who will host Worlds because of the process and not because anyone imagines a spiral or axel will look different in Russia than it will in Finland, Canada or USA.

Will the selection process appear transparent or will it be full if intrigue? How big of a role will politics play not just in choosing the new host but in the next few years?

Don't forget, Cincuanta has left the option of cancelling on the table. A Worlds that might lose too much money for ISU might be a Worlds that does not happen and ISU does not have to accept any of the bids

So yes, even at a "no frills" Worlds the skaters will head to center ice, the music will start and they will perform their programs regardless of the location. Most of us know that part will be the same.
 
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Why is Hersh "frequently reviled"? His reporting seems pretty straightforward to me.

Among other things, he's been pretty hard on skaters in his blog, to the point of bashing, and he's been seen at competitions pointing and laughing at skaters who fall.
 
Hersh does not sugarcoat his opinions, so when he is uncomplimentary about someone's favorite skater, fans of that skater think he is a jerk. ;)

If GS members are going to watch Worlds on TV, can anyone explain why it matters where the competition is held?

For us armchair experts in North America, I guess the difference between Japan and Russia is, do we want to stay up all night Friday or do we want to stay up all night Saturday to catch the live coverage. ;)

I agree with Hernando, though. This whole saga has been interesting for the litlle glimpses that it has given us behind Speedy's ice curtain.

But I think the main question is whether the venue matters to the skaters. I imagine some skaters might prefer one country to another for various reasons? Also, the time delay is a factor. Skaters who are coming back from injuries, like Virtue and Moir, might be helped by having the date as late as possible. Others might feel that their timing has been thrown off as far as peaking phyisically and emotionally at the right time.
 
Why is Hersh "frequently reviled"? His reporting seems pretty straightforward to me.
He is frequently reviled for his frequent reviling which derives from his own misconception that he has an aesthetically superior judgement ability just because he sometimes has a bit more factual (not esthetical) information than others due to his hobby/profession; and this misconception of his of course is an ethical failure that leads him to be reviled.
 
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Hernando and MM:

Nothing wrong for wanting to covet the entire sport. I'm just a TV watcher now, and I presumed, obviously wrongly, that other TV watchers wouldn't care where the Worlds would be held. I'm just interested in the competition from wherever, I now considered myself thusly. Not interested in the business on the administration side, except for what this Worlds is involved in competition. I would be if I were still a LIVE spectator, otherwise I am not interested in all aspects of the sport. There's an inexplicable air of excitement of being around fans at LIVE competitions. There's no reason to go there if you do not appreciate the sport. TV is my beat now, but I'm in a country where the sport of Figure Skating is not bringing in the TV sponsors, and waiting for what UniSport will show.

When new venues, are mentioned, are you concerned where they might be? or do you just accept the consensus of the ISU Council? I think some new venues for 2012 and 2013 have already been announced. No?
 
I would selfishly pull for Canada to win the bid as it might help Alissa. It would be less travel for her and she seems to skate well in Canada. I think she is a fan favorite there too which only shows what great taste Canadians have ;)

But thinking back to Vancouver last season it seems that quite a few of the Ladies skated extremely well.

It is looking more like Russia will be selected and that is fine with me. I doubt if I will see it Live on TV anyway and I have enjoyed some of the streamimg from Russia.

Not my first choice to watch Worlds but much better than nothing at all.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought that figure skating's main audience is predominantly female. I don't know much about speed skating, but I'm guessing it's audience might be predominantly male. So if Hersh is mainly interested in figure skating, he probably takes a lot of ribbing from his fellow male sports reporters, so maybe he compensates by being aggressive in his own reviews. Just a theory.
 
I would selfishly pull for Canada to win the bid as it might help Alissa. It would be less travel for her and she seems to skate well in Canada. I think she is a fan favorite there too which only shows what great taste Canadians have ;)

She skates well in Canada because they deny her demons an entry visa. ;)
 
Does anyone know if the ISU ended up receiving any money for television rights for the 2009 Worlds in Los Angeles? As I recall, negotiations were going on up to the last minute, with Cinquanta eventually announcing in frustration that for the good of figure skating he would be willing to let the event go on for free.

There was also a big problem with last year's Skate America, where the USFSA was not able to squeeze any money out of network TV, either for itself or the ISU. Cinquanta threatened to withhold the money that the ISU usually gives to the organizers of Grand Prix events, if the ISU couldn't get a piece of the television pie. But I think he relented when it developed that there wasn't any pie to get a piece of.

This will probably count against any U.S. bid.


oookay this confuses me. so did the ISU get any tv money for LA worlds? what about skate america?

you're saying that happened with the olympic season's skate america? O_o you'd think that was the year they could expect an audience and demand tv money.

if that happens several years in a row does anyone expect skate finland or skate germany to replace skate america? there used to be nations cup or sparkassen cup in germany--what happened to skate germany, anyway?

sorry for going a bit off topic, but i had no idea television rights in the US were such a difficult sell--if so the US might as well not bother bidding for worlds, this year or any other year.
 
...There's an inexplicable air of excitement of being around fans at LIVE competitions....

Sorry to hear about your health chalenges, Joe. You are certainly right about the thrill in the air at live competitions.

Since I hardly ever get to go to anything live unless it's right here in my back yard, here's what I like to do for these events from around the world. Sleep soundly through the night, then get up in the morning and read the Golden Skate thread from beginning to end, with everyone's comments who are giving play by play (those angels :) ) and who are watching the live stream. I try to resist the "spoiler" of jumping to the last page. :laugh:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought that figure skating's main audience is predominantly female. I don't know much about speed skating, but I'm guessing it's audience might be predominantly male. So if Hersh is mainly interested in figure skating, he probably takes a lot of ribbing from his fellow male sports reporters, so maybe he compensates by being aggressive in his own reviews. Just a theory.

Hersh writes about all different sports. I don't think he is trying to be macho, but I do think that he tries to treat figure skating like a "real sport." If you hit a home run, good. If you strike out, you're a bum.

For instance, last year Mirai Nagasu was Hersh's big favorite, and he wrote some columns about how she is the future of U.S. ladies figure skating -- and why won't Rachael Flatt do the decent thing and skedaddle off to college to get out of Mirai's way! :laugh:

Then this year Mirai messed up at U.S. Nationals and all of a sudden she's a bum, and where is the next star going to come from?
 
If these network deals are true, it says to me that US networks had the upper hand in negotiations, either because figure skating was so pathetic in rating that a network would broadcast it as a charity/goodwill or the network was a tough negotiator who snatched themselves a bargain/freebie. They probably tried to charge for the feed to the ISU! Conversely, USFSF was pretty powerless. That is a US problem but bad for figure skating as it is still a very desirable and important market. ISU may be caught between a rock and a hard place. Giving up US or hope for and work toward a revival or at least maintain the current level of interest?
 
oookay this confuses me. so did the ISU get any tv money for LA worlds? what about skate america?

I'm a little fuzzy on the details; maybe someone else will jump in with a more knowledgeable account. But I bellieve the situation was something like this.

Back in 1994 or so, when figure skating in the U.S. was at its peak of popularity because of the Tonya-Nancy main event, the USFSA signed a $20,000,000 contract with ABC televsion to broadcast figure skating events for a number of years. This contract was renewed a couple of times during the Michelle Kwan years that immediately followed. The ISU got a nice chunk of that. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that at this time something close to half of the ISU's total budget was underwritten by U.S. television deals. (Yesterday, the United States, today, Japan)

However, interest in figure skating in the U.S. declined in the 2000s, the contract between the USFSA and ABC TV dwindled, and finally ABC gave it up altogether. The USFSA was not able to get a real contract with any other network, but finally NBC and its affiliates stepped in and a deal was worked out as follows. NBC would not give USFS any money per se, but USFS could buy time and then sell advertising itself to pay the expenses and maybe make a little bit of profit if there is anything left over. USFS had to scramble even to keep their traditional sponsors in the fold. (The details are available if you search the USFSA website for their annual financial statements.)

Now I think the USFSA and the networks work together in some way to try to round up commercial sponsorships. But in any case, there is no big pot of gold to be shared between the USFSA and the ISU as there was fifteen years ago. Not even the attraction of the pre-Olympic world championship in 2009 in Los Angeles, and a men's star in Evan Lysacek, was enough to interest U.S. television networks is shelling out any cash to cover the event.

you're saying that happened with the olympic season's skate america? O_o you'd think that was the year they could expect an audience and demand tv money.

I think it was 2010 Skate America (i.e., the current 2010-2011 season) where things really came to a head and the ISU threatened to withhold money to the event organizers. I don't know how this was eventually resolved. I don't know what the television ratings are for Skate America. Let's just say it's not Two-and-a-half Men.

if that happens several years in a row does anyone expect skate finland or skate germany to replace skate america? there used to be nations cup or sparkassen cup in germany--what happened to skate germany, anyway?

I don't know if the ISU would ever toss Skate America out of the Grand Prix. It would be fun to see what would happen if they did. Skate America was already a pretigious international event for a couple of decades before the Grand Prix came into existence and before anyone had heard of Ottavio Cinquanta. Maybe the USFSA would secede from the ISU and go its own way, with Skate America and U.S. Nationals the big whoops of the season. :)

Skate Germany just sort of faded away and the ISU was eager to replace it with Skate China, figuring that China is the wave of the future. Just think how much money the ISU could make if a substanntial part of the Chinese population suddenly took a interest in skating!

sorry for going a bit off topic, but i had no idea television rights in the US were such a difficult sell--if so the US might as well not bother bidding for worlds, this year or any other year.

I belive that the ISU still makes money off selling the television feed to other countries besides the country where the event is held. (?) The U.S. is still rich. The ISU is probably hoping for better times in the future.
 
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