Plushenko wants to become a legend of figure skating

[Ladskater]

I am wondering will Plushenko be up to the task? He is not getting any younger....

 

[Krislite]

My understanding is that the three tech people divide up promary responsibility for the various calls among themselves. The reason being, there is too much going on for one person to see eveything.

For instance, on footwork sequences one of the three is timing it to see whether they are turning in the opposite difrection at least one-third of the time, someone else is watching their feet and counting the number of rockers, counters, etc., the third might be responsible for decisions about ice coverage or use of the upper body.

On UR calls, I believe that the procedure is this. If any one of the three thinks (in real time) that the jump might have been under-rotated, he shouts out "review." Then they all three look at the replay at the end.

By the way, the rule says that the under-rotation should be apparent in the replay without slo-motion. Except when the camera angle is such that they can't really tell in normal time, then they can go to slo-motion.

I think it is more the three of them working together, rather than challenging the tech specialist's call.

One interesting little detail I noticed from the Tech Panel handbook is that jumps are allowed to be landed on either foot. So a one-foot double Axel is legal. As is a one-foot triple Salchow. A triple loop could be landed on the inside edge of the other foot, so a 3Flip/3Sal can immediately follow. Wait, even a 3F+3F combo is possible with this rule!

Just an interesting possibility, though given the limited jump passes, no reward for combinations and the risks, no one's gonna try them. I would love to see some creativity on the technical side, though.

 

[blue dog]

One interesting little detail I noticed from the Tech Panel handbook is that jumps are allowed to be landed on either foot. So a one-foot double Axel is legal. As is a one-foot triple Salchow. A triple loop could be landed on the inside edge of the other foot, so a 3Flip/3Sal can immediately follow. Wait, even a 3F+3F combo is possible with this rule!

Just an interesting possibility, though given the limited jump passes, no reward for combinations and the risks, no one's gonna try them. I would love to see some creativity on the technical side, though.

If you were bi-directional, a 3z/3z combination could be do-able.

 

[Krislite]

If you were bi-directional, a 3z/3z combination could be do-able.

There have been very rare cases in the past of skaters doing one-foot Axels and even one-foot triple Salchows as part of a combo, but I don't recall ever having seen any skater do a combo with the jumps spinning in opposite directions.

Anyone here with a exceptional memory recall such a combination in the past?

 

[seniorita]

Yagudin Interview
parts about Plu:

- Your Olympic victory was one of the greatest moments in figure skating. How often do you think about those days in Salt Lake City?
- It happened nine years ago, but those memories will be always in my head.... This time figure skating is taking 75 per cent of my life and of course memories are still with me. Even if I lost in Bratislava 10 years ago [at the European championship in 2001 against Plushenko], the memories of it are bright.
....

- Do you think it’s real for Evgeni Plushenko to skate in Sochi?
- He is going to be 31, it’s my age right now. If my hip allowed me, if it was possible, I would probably compete, so yeah, why not? But he is not 18 anymore, injuries and health will be the major question. But I believe that he will be there.

- There were legends about your rivalry, how you hate each other and don’t speak with each other. What was true about it?
- It was always made by the media. We never hated each other. We were not friends, that’s true, but we weren’t enemies. We can talk to each other and we are fine, but we are never going to call each other and ask ‘how are you’.

- Was this maybe caused also by your former coach, Alexei Mishin, who always preferred Evgeni to you?
- Between those four people – Tarasova, Mishin, Evgeni and me – the main problem was given by Alexei Mishin, not Evgeni.....

... Honestly, coaching is the last thing I would do in my life, because it’s not the easiest thing to do. I want to try something else, some new profession. As for Evgeni, I just think he didn’t find himself in this different world. He knows how to do figure skating. And he knows it really well. But he doesn’t know who he is besides figure skating. Me, I’m trying to do something else, definitely not coaching....

... In general I don’t follow figure skating, but if I catch Europeans or Worlds on TV, I watch it. Of course I watched the Olympics, because Evgeni was there....

 

[dorispulaski]

There have been very rare cases in the past of skaters doing one-foot Axels and even one-foot triple Salchows as part of a combo, but I don't recall ever having seen any skater do a combo with the jumps spinning in opposite directions.

Anyone here with a exceptional memory recall such a combination in the past?

Yes. Rohene Ward.

 

[bibi24]

Yes. Rohene Ward.

He did axels right? not Lutz-Lutz?

 

[Mathman]

One interesting little detail I noticed from the Tech Panel handbook is that jumps are allowed to be landed on either foot. So a one-foot double Axel is legal. As is a one-foot triple Salchow. A triple loop could be landed on the inside edge of the other foot, so a 3Flip/3Sal can immediately follow. Wait, even a 3F+3F combo is possible with this rule!

I am pretty sure that all of those possibilities are hard-to-impossible in practice. But it would be interesting to see how the judges might score it.

Landing on the wrong edge does not nullify the jump, but it is considered an error punishable by -1 to -2 GOE. If you do it on purpose, for the sake of doing a spectacular combo, I don't know what the judges would be expected to do.

Yagudin Interview...

Thanks for the report. Very interesting.

 

[bestskate8]

LOL he couldnt even beat Lysacek in Vancouver at 27 and he thinks he can compete with Chan, the up coming Japanese, and the rest at 31 on a more beat up body. Hilarious.

Its like he didn't compete with them in Vancouver, I just hope you didn't miss Chan and up coming Japanese at Olympics 2010.
Everybody know HOW Lysacek "won"

 

[pangtongfan]

Chan is a whole different skater from 2010. The idea either Lysacek or Plushenko could dream of competing against him now is laughable, and I am far from a Chan fall. Chan would have to fall atleast 5 times to lose to either of them, assuming one of them skated lights out for even their 2010 standard. Chan has quads now, better ones than an aging Plushenko can do, and is better at everything else, while Evan is far behind in every area now.

Kozuka if he skates like he did in the LP in Moscow cannot be challenged by people like an old Plushenko or Lysacek either.

Moscow was overall a much higher level of mens skating than we have seen in years. Yet it is only the tip of the iceburg of what we will see by Sochi. Most of the contenders are young, 22 or younger, and will only get better. If Plushenko wants to show up as a 31 year old on butchered knees against that field, when he was a shadow of his old self in Vancouver, it will be a laugher.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Its like he didn't compete with them in Vancouver, I just hope you didn't miss Chan and up coming Japanese at Olympics 2010.
Everybody know HOW Lysacek "won"

It seems to me you're operating on the presumption that Chan et al haven't improved from Vancouver. Truthfully, I don't know how you can watch his Worlds SP or LP, or his Nationals LP and really argue that.

re: Plushenko, it comes down to the following questions.

1. What does he hope to accomplish?
2. How likely is it that he'll improve his skating between now and 2014?
3. How likely is it that he develops a stronger understanding of COP on the ice?
4. If he doesn't improve, will he maintain where he's at now?
5. How likely is it that he'll remain injury free?

 

[Mathman]

1. What does he hope to accomplish?

To become a legend.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Done.

 

[gmyers]

For question 2 I read it as connected to question 3. When it comes to results could understanding COP improve skating? If not than question 5 is connected to questoin 2. If his injuries unfortunately become deblitating rather than managable than improving is not possible.

In 2010 Plushenkos goals were many. Keep Russian men on the map because if he didn't return the team would probably have been Voronov and Borodulin who would not have medaled in all probabilty and then it was to be Dick Button and win 2 in a row. For 2014 it is the "legend" motivator and just compete in an Olympics in Russia and I think medal at 4 Olympics. This could morph and change and then turn into make final group by 2014.

I forgot the whole quad narrative as well for 2010.

 

[christinaskater]

He is already a legend

 

[Bluebonnet]

He is already a legend

Agree. But obviously Plushenko himself doesn't think so, or at least he doesn't think that he's firmly sitting on that chair. I'm sure if he had gotten a gold in 2010 Olympics, he'd have been satisfied for his competitive career, and probably had moved on.

 

[pangtongfan]

Plushenko is indeed already a legend and will only tarnish his already well in place legacy if he returns. Sometimes athletes need to know when to call it quits. IMO it was a mistake even returning from Vancouver, peoples last memory of him isnt someone nearly unbeatable who won the Olympics by nearly 30 points, but someone losing the Olympics to Evan Lysacek.

 

[gmyers]

Plushenko is indeed already a legend and will only tarnish his already well in place legacy if he returns. Sometimes athletes need to know when to call it quits. IMO it was a mistake even returning from Vancouver, peoples last memory of him isnt someone nearly unbeatable who won the Olympics by nearly 30 points, but someone losing the Olympics to Evan Lysacek.

On the other hand you could say having been beaten by Lysacek is he really afraid of embarassment at this point? You would think that would be enough for someone not to say things about returning again. So maybe the Olympic gold might have given him an immuninity to embarassment so he will just continue and strive for the best-whatever that is.

 

[mot]

Sometimes athletes need to know when to call it quits.

Why? Even though they have a burning desire to compete? Even though they themselves believe they have something more left in them to give to the sport? No one knows what will happen in 3 years time. If they believe they can do it or they want to do it, they should. It's their life.

 

[let`s talk]

The meeting of the Executive Committee of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia took place. They decided to apply to ISU to restore the boy. That's official now.