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Andrei Rogozine

Spun Silver said:
I don't understand. Someone was just explaining how popular skating is in Canada.
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To be honest, I don't think skating is that popular in Canada, certainly not at the level of near-universal affection/attention that hockey receives. From attending a few events myself, I would say that figure skating enjoys a healthy popularity among a certain (sizeable) community of fans who also tend to be of a certain age (i.e. older). But outside of that community of fans there's really not much buzz about figure skating at all, sadly. For instance, I just did a quick survey of some of my (university-age) friends asking them "Do you know who Patrick Chan is?" Only 3 out of 15 answered correctly...:scowl: Also, I was rather disappointed to see how my hometown newspaper relegated news of Patrick Chan's win at Worlds in Moscow to only half a page on around Page 4 of the sports section because the first three pages were solely dedicated to the NHL playoffs.

That's why I'm not overly surprised that Patrick Chan isn't as financially comfortable as say, a hockey player or something...
 
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evangeline said:
That's why I'm not overly surprised that Patrick Chan isn't as financially comfortable as say, a hockey player or something...
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:laugh:

Precious few figure skaters in the world can compare to any NHL player, forget about the multi-millionair stars. National league players of a team sport gets sizable salaries skaters can only dream of. Total injustice as far I am concerned.
 
Dragonlady said:
Having watched Andrei at Thornhill few summers I have to say that I was really impressed this past weekend because in the past he was both slow and stilted and had absolutely nothing but jumps. I was somewhat surprised when he won Jr. Worlds last season, because of how bare his program was when I saw it. He really has made substantial progress to skate real programs in the past 18 months, which is not to say more work isn't needed in that regard. His spins are better, he's noticing the music a bit, even if he's not exactly connecting with it yet. Whether he will be the next great Canadian champion, well the jury is still out on that one.

I would rather than young skaters get all of their technical ducks in a row before they focus on their artistry because the skaters who come up with the artistic package fully developed, seem to struggle on the technical throughout their careers.
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Didn't someone on this board say Patrick developed his PCS first, then his quad,that's why he is successful?
 
Boeing787 said:
Didn't someone on this board say Patrick developed his PCS first, then his quad,that's why he is successful?
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No he didn't develop his PCS first, he developed ALL of his technical skills first, not just his jumps. His PCS scores didn't really take off until the 2008/09 season when he showed up at Skate Canada with great speed, power and flow over the ice. His scores just popped from that point on and he won his first silver medal at Worlds at the end of that season.
 
Dragonlady said:
No he didn't develop his PCS first, he developed ALL of his technical skills first, not just his jumps. His PCS scores didn't really take off until the 2008/09 season when he showed up at Skate Canada with great speed, power and flow over the ice. His scores just popped from that point on and he won his first silver medal at Worlds at the end of that season.
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IMHO, he has got the great speed, power and flow over the ice since the 2007-2008 season. But his PCS didn't popped until OG. Yes, in 2009 he did get good PCS in 4 CC but not in the worlds, which, I believe, was due to an unestablished reputation.

Compare the two videos you will see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeYrn80iq7s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56vQCEZ7lY
 
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herios said:
He has been discussed to nauseum as far as I am cocerned
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So why are you discussing him now?

and without a doubt he will be the main subject whenever he will skate.
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Of course the reigning World Champion is the main subject whenever he skates.

Meanwhile, there are hundreds of pages about skaters who are not skating. Nothing wrong.
 
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Boeing787 said:
IMHO, he has got the great speed, power and flow over the ice since the 2007-2008 season. But his PCS didn't popped until OG. Yes, in 2009 he did get good PCS in 4 CC but not in the worlds, which, I believe, was due to an unestablished reputation.

Compare the two videos you will see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeYrn80iq7s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56vQCEZ7lY
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Patrick didn't skate as well at Worlds as he did at 4CC. At Worlds he was cautious and didn't skate with the speed, flow and attack he had at 4CC and Skate Canada. I noticed that he was holding back at Worlds as soon as he took to the ice.

In nearly every instance where posters claim reputation is a factor, I can give you good and valid reasons for the scoring. If skaters don't attack their programs, they won't have command of the ice. In the rink, caution deadens a program, sucking all of the life out of it even if the skater is otherwise skating well.
 
Patrick skated well enough to deserve the highest PCS of the SP at 2009 Worlds. The judges instead went for Joubert (who didn't have a clean performance) and Lysacek because they had more clout. Patrick was considered "not ready" at the time to be World Champion. Notice how 1 year later, after a series of disappointments including bombing at the Olympics, Joubert gives his best SP performance ever at a World-level competition and is the only guy who pulls off the Quad-Triple combination + Triple Axel in the SP at that competition and finds himself behind Patrick Chan...the kicker being that he and Chan both had the same programs as the previous year. Politics are constantly involved in judging and to deny it is ignorant. The performance does matter but it is never the only thing taken into consideration by most judges.
 
Blades of Passion said:
Patrick skated well enough to deserve the highest PCS of the SP at 2009 Worlds. The judges instead went for Joubert (who didn't have a clean performance) and Lysacek because they had more clout. Patrick was considered "not ready" at the time to be World Champion. Notice how 1 year later, after a series of disappointments including bombing at the Olympics, Joubert gives his best SP performance ever at a World-level competition and is the only guy who pulls off the Quad-Triple combination + Triple Axel in the SP at that competition and finds himself behind Patrick Chan...the kicker being that he and Chan both had the same programs as the previous year. Politics are constantly involved in judging and to deny it is ignorant. The performance does matter but it is never the only thing taken into consideration by most judges.
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In other words, how a program was actually skated didn't matter. Because Chan and Joubert used their 2009 SP at the 2010 Worlds means that necessarily, its PCS should be more or less the same as the year before, hence any deviation is a proof of "political involvement"? :unsure: Wow, I didn't realize Skate Canada has such clout considering there was not even a Canadian judge on that panel. :laugh: And why not just mail-in the 1998 Olympic Gold medal to Michelle Kwan after she beat Lipinski just 4 weeks earlier at the U.S. Nationals with the most 6.0 ever given to a lady at that event? After all, they both used the same programs, eh? :sheesh: No, it can't be possible that skaters actually improve after one year and that part of the program could be changed. And no it's not possible that Joubert could have technical issues besides jumps, like he is the best spinner in the world who just happened to have the need to consult Rucinda Ruth prior to the event for no good reason. :rolleye: Gotta love people who scared themselves to the death with their own shadow. :laugh:
 
Having seen Reynolds bomb the SP and struggle through the FS at CoC, it could be that Rogozine will be #2 in Canada.
 
Reynolds seems gung ho to do as many quads as possible in his competitions. Maybe he is going for another record while he has a chance and giving up on winning any event.

Hope it's OK to talk about Reynolds here. :p
 
chuckm said:
Having seen Reynolds bomb the SP and struggle through the FS at CoC, it could be that Rogozine will be #2 in Canada.
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Yep. I also don't think he's a mere placeholder like SkateFiguring suggested, but could be Canada's main man in 2018 (knock on wood).
 
SkateFiguring said:
Reynolds seems gung ho to do as many quads as possible in his competitions. Maybe he is going for another record while he has a chance and giving up on winning any event.
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He has to fully rotate and land those quads first. His 4lo attempt wasn't even close.
 
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