Chan: I truly believe I deserved to win

[let`s talk]

but I think he's handling the criticism pretty well,

What criticism? Patrick is talking like the OGM is already in his pocket. Why should anyone cut the guy a bit of slack in this case?

“Vancouver was like the Super Bowl and Sochi will be like a conference title,” he said. “It’s away. It will be a lot less pressure, especially defending my (world) title three times since then, I’ve gained a lot of experience.”

http://metronews.ca/sports/597990/patrick-chan-tries-to-shrug-off-his-critics/

 

[Bluebonnet]

What criticism? Patrick is talking like the OGM is already in his pocket. Why should anyone cut the guy a bit of slack in this case?

“Vancouver was like the Super Bowl and Sochi will be like a conference title,” he said. “It’s away. It will be a lot less pressure, especially defending my (world) title three times since then, I’ve gained a lot of experience.”

http://metronews.ca/sports/597990/patrick-chan-tries-to-shrug-off-his-critics/

Nothing's wrong in the quote. You are picking bones from an egg.

 

[emdee]

Where?! So you've gotten used to write irresponsibly, haven't you?! He did not get a single +3 GOE from any judge in spins in LP! He got no GOE from one judge on first spin. No GOE from two judges on the second spin. The first two spins were level 3. Only the last spin was level 4.

In his world record SP, first spin had no +3 GOE from any judge. He got one 0 GOE. In second spin, he got only two +3 GOE out of nine judges. In the last spin, again he got only two +3 GOE out of nine judges. But he has managed to get level 4 on all three spins.

Bluebonnet, I guess we have to be thankful for small mercies PTfan now says he has a 6 fall cushion.... This is down from a previous 10 .
The distance between imagination and reality is getting closer with time.

 

[let`s talk]

Nothing's wrong in the quote.

It's a natural answer for a Chan uber who defends his unjustified wins/medals stolen from his rivals with no shame and disgust. Of course there is nothing wrong for you. The point is now one cares about "for you". People see and think bigger than Chan ubers can afford- it's about sport in general, the lack of trust and the danger to be kicked out of Olympics. SC contributed more than anyone else in destroying this sport starting with SLC scandal and now we are having Chan.

 

[phaeljones]

The comment there is also a short program would have made sense if the other guy had done a really weak short. However Ten also skated a wonderful short program, in addition to a long program way better than Chan, and thus obviously should have beaten him. The there is also a short program comment only applies to guys like Fernandez and Hanyu who also clearly should have beaten Chan in the LP (but didnt, but proof Chan should not have had the LP score to stay ahead of Ten overall as a LP score even below Fernandez would not have done that) but who Chan deserved to finish above due to the SP. While Chan`s LP was overscored by atleast 10 points, his SP while outstanding should also have been in roughly the 95 area, not nearly 100.

:thumbsup:

Correct. 100 per cent.

I think it is interesting that Hanyu's long program had some really amazing moments and has largely gone un-noticed. When I saw it and then Chan's skate, I too thought that Hanyu's skate was noticeably better than Chan's.

 

[noskates]

I am not a "Chan uber" - whatever the heck that is! But I agree with Bluebonnet. I think there are a few people who just will not let this go. It's over folks. Chan won. Whether you like it or not -he did NOT judge himself. Maybe he doesn't think as quickly on his feet as some of you who have had time to digest every little single microscopic thing about his performance and can now expound at will with all the negativity your vocabulary can muster. He was asked a question, he answered it. He would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to have his sites set on Sochi. Do you think he's going to say "oh gee, I've had such bad skates I'll probably just have to concede the Olympics? Nothing he has said anywhere leads me to believe he thinks he has the OGM wrapped up. In fact, anyone who thinks he's going to show shame and disgust because he won doesn't know much about human instincts.

I do not believe this sport has been spoiled by SLC OR by Chan! The average fan does not delve into the mysteries of the scoring system and research each move and each judge's ruling on it down to a microscopic level. The average fan does not chop each performance to bits and pieces from their armchairs weeks after the competition. The average fan is blaming the inscrutable scoring system for the fact that someone can fall and still win. It's almost as if some of you WANT the sport to fail and are just looking for reasons to justify your feelings.

 

[pangtongfan]

It's a natural answer for a Chan uber who defends his unjustified wins/medals stolen from his rivals with no shame and disgust. Of course there is nothing wrong for you. The point is now one cares about "for you". People see and think bigger than Chan ubers can afford- it's about sport in general, the lack of trust and the danger to be kicked out of Olympics. SC contributed more than anyone else in destroying this sport starting with SLC scandal and now we are having Chan.

Very true, and what is most ironic is Canadians are the ones to whine the most about the big bad Russians and their so called dealming and politiks over the years, and yet it is SC from 2001-2014 who are most likely to get figure skating kicked out, or on the verge of being kicked out, of the Olympics thanks to all their crookery, especialy regarding Sale & Pelletier and Chan.

 

[Jaana]

In my opinion Chan won, because other skaters did not deliver. Fernandez would have won if he had skated the way he did at the Europeans. Also Hanyu and Takahashi could have challenged Chan, but they were not up to it. Ten´s skating was a surprise and well, he almost won the whole competition, not just the freeskate.

 

[bsfan]

Very true, and what is most ironic is Canadians are the ones to whine the most about the big bad Russians and their so called dealming and politiks over the years, and yet it is SC from 2001-2014 who are most likely to get figure skating kicked out, or on the verge of being kicked out, of the Olympics thanks to all their crookery, especialy regarding Sale & Pelletier and Chan.

Totally agree with with you!

 

[emdee]

In my opinion Chan won, because other skaters did not deliver. Fernandez would have won if he had skated the way he did at the Europeans. Also Hanyu and Takahashi could have challenged Chan, but they were not up to it. Ten´s skating was a surprise and well, he almost won the whole competition, not just the freeskate.

Have you forgotten the to do when Plushy lost to Lysachek? I dont think we Canadians were whining.
Further from personal knowledge I know that a number of Chan ubers are not Canadian!

 

[babayaga]

In my opinion Chan won, because other skaters did not deliver. Fernandez would have won if he had skated the way he did at the Europeans. Also Hanyu and Takahashi could have challenged Chan, but they were not up to it. Ten´s skating was a surprise and well, he almost won the whole competition, not just the freeskate.

But that's the interesting part - you say the skaters did not deliver, but then you say yourself that Ten delivered. It would be accurate to say that the skaters from the predetermined group of favorites (Chan, Hanuy, Fernandez, Takahashi) did not deliver. However, the judges were sort of programmed to give the gold to one of these four, and when none of them skated well, they gave the win to Chan. Were they too scared and unprepared to allow someone else to win?

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

The judges are +3 happy in GOEs for Chan. His spins all get that, you would think he is a way better spinner than Lambiel, when in fact he is a weaker one.

Huh?! He received no +3's for any of his spins in the FS.

This article is him defending himself under criticism. The competition was two skates, and he put out a splendid SP which gave him a lead that wasn't surpassed in the freeskate, which Ten won. And as mentioned, Ten did a 2-2 instead of a 3-3, essentially leaving about 7 points on the table.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

But that's the interesting part - you say the skaters did not deliver, but then you say yourself that Ten delivered. It would be accurate to say that the skaters from the predetermined group of favorites (Chan, Hanuy, Fernandez, Takahashi) did not deliver. However, the judges were sort of programmed to give the gold to one of these four, and when none of them skated well, they gave the win to Chan. Were they too scared and unprepared to allow someone else to win?

I don't think so. Looking at the GOEs, they were certainly giving Ten the +3s -- even his footwork scored higher than Chan's. As for the PCS, Ten scored higher than Chan in Performance/Execution (and almost beat him in CH/IN), and Ten had Skating Skills equivalent to Takahashi... all Ten's other PCS categories were better than the entire field, except for Chan. I'm pretty sure Denis Ten doesn't have better choreography or interpretation than Takahashi (not that Chan did either, but if you're gonna compare Ten/Chan to Takahashi, the knife should cut both ways). Also, Chan's PCS was 3.5 points lower than his personal best (he rarely gets under 90 for PCS these days). As for the tech specialist, they correctly assessed the 3A as downgraded and also gave Chan level 3's on his spins, so it's not like they weren't doing their job either.

If anything, I think the judges wanted to give Ten the victory, but after the SP there was simply no room. They could have easily buried Ten in the FS with reduced PCS, but instead his PCS was just 2 points shy of Chan's, and better than Takahashi/Hanyu/Fernandez, and enough to win the FS by 5.5 points.

 

[SGrand]

But that's the interesting part - you say the skaters did not deliver, but then you say yourself that Ten delivered. It would be accurate to say that the skaters from the predetermined group of favorites (Chan, Hanuy, Fernandez, Takahashi) did not deliver. However, the judges were sort of programmed to give the gold to one of these four, and when none of them skated well, they gave the win to Chan. Were they too scared and unprepared to allow someone else to win?

Wait...though, as much as some are complaining that Chan was overscored in the SP, he still brought it when the other heavy favourites failed to do so. And they failed to skate clean in their LP's as well, although they did not have as many mistakes as Chan. He talks about it being a 2 part comp, and he is correct to an extent, he's lucky he had the short that he did in order to win overall. To me he's just being honest about the judging and how he views it, he doesnt make the rules, he just tries to take advantage of them. Not saying it was completely fair, maybe he did get rep points.....and maybe he didn't, I'm not a scoring expert and to me it could have gone either way and I wouldn't have cared. Wish they all would have rose to the occasion, would have been a tremendous competition.

 

[SGrand]

I am not a "Chan uber" - whatever the heck that is! But I agree with Bluebonnet. I think there are a few people who just will not let this go. It's over folks. Chan won. Whether you like it or not -he did NOT judge himself. Maybe he doesn't think as quickly on his feet as some of you who have had time to digest every little single microscopic thing about his performance and can now expound at will with all the negativity your vocabulary can muster. He was asked a question, he answered it. He would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to have his sites set on Sochi. Do you think he's going to say "oh gee, I've had such bad skates I'll probably just have to concede the Olympics? Nothing he has said anywhere leads me to believe he thinks he has the OGM wrapped up. In fact, anyone who thinks he's going to show shame and disgust because he won doesn't know much about human instincts.

I do not believe this sport has been spoiled by SLC OR by Chan! The average fan does not delve into the mysteries of the scoring system and research each move and each judge's ruling on it down to a microscopic level. The average fan does not chop each performance to bits and pieces from their armchairs weeks after the competition. The average fan is blaming the inscrutable scoring system for the fact that someone can fall and still win. It's almost as if some of you WANT the sport to fail and are just looking for reasons to justify your feelings.

Thank you for taking the time to write this, I feel the same. I'm a fan of his, but I would feel the same about any of these fine athletes being personally attacked the way he is.

 

[karne]

I believe Chan is not the only skater who had implied that 'I deserve to win'. You know who.

Said skater did not spend his long program Zamboni-ing the ice with his backside while another skater skated clean...

 

[gold12345]

Said skater did not spend his long program Zamboni-ing the ice with his backside while another skater skated clean...

Ten was not clean. He messed up a jumping pass. Still probably should have been enough, but he wasn't the best he could have been for sure.

 

[Leonardo]

Many fans on the internet understand the COP very well, it's not that difficult and it's much more simple than gymnastics COP, for example. The thing is, some canadians and patrick fans (the rest of the public, skaters, some judges, commentators, all the other fans, EVERYBODY feels insulted by the disgusting results) try to justify the overscoring using the scoring sheets. They say, look, Patrick got +2 and +3 for almost everything else, it doesn't matter he did 4 big mistakes in the LP, he still got enough points to lead overall. The thing is, the scoring sheet is EXACTLY what proves that he was overscored. Or you think judges don't overscore skaters in this COP? In what world do you live in?

Any other skater would get much lower pcs than usual (Takahashi, for example, did) for that number of mistakes. The thing is, he still got almost 90 in pcs, which is the number he usually gets. Takahashi made many mistakes, he got 85 for pcs. Patrick also made serious mistakes, but still got 90. Not to mention that Takahashi has better interpretation and sometimes has better choreography (last season, for example), and his pcs are almost never higher than Patrick in those those aspects, even when he hits and Patrick does not (2012 worlds).
Patrick also often gets more goe's than he deserves. +2 and +3 to some jumps that were not landed perfectly, like in the SP. When the judges want to overscore a skater, they simply do that: give +2 and +3 to every element, and crazy high pcs, even with falls. (Carolina Kostner, for example, got +2 and some +3 for her spins). When they don't want to overscore a skater, they give +1, +2 and low pcs for performances with mistakes (most of the japanese skaters, including Akiko Suzuki who got lower pcs than Osmond who had two falls).
Seriously, trying to justify Patrick's "victory" is disgusting.

 

[bekalc]

Ten was not clean. He messed up a jumping pass. Still probably should have been enough, but he wasn't the best he could have been for sure.

You can double a jump and still be clean. I don't want to see skaters doubling jumps, but Ten still landed all of his jumps properly. And its not like he spent all of his time doubling his jumps, he did far more clean triples than Chan...I don't think its right at all to say Ten wasn't clean. He wasn't perfect, but he certainly was clean.

 

[babayaga]

Wait...though, as much as some are complaining that Chan was overscored in the SP, he still brought it when the other heavy favourites failed to do so. And they failed to skate clean in their LP's as well, although they did not have as many mistakes as Chan. He talks about it being a 2 part comp, and he is correct to an extent, he's lucky he had the short that he did in order to win overall. To me he's just being honest about the judging and how he views it, he doesnt make the rules, he just tries to take advantage of them. Not saying it was completely fair, maybe he did get rep points.....and maybe he didn't, I'm not a scoring expert and to me it could have gone either way and I wouldn't have cared. Wish they all would have rose to the occasion, would have been a tremendous competition.

But I actually agree that among the top four predetermined favorites, Chan was probably the best between both short and long programs. But the world championship is not just between 4 skaters, but that's how it was judged it seems. Ten lost the overall victory in the short program, although he was as clean as Patrick there. He should have been behind, but maybe not by that much? I actually do not have a strong opinion on the results of the competition, but it somehow left me confused.