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Exactly. exciting yes indeed because anyone can with such BV differentials. This is why I think Fernandez with two different quads has the advantage over Chan - mind you Dai has two sort of quads but they are kind of iffy.
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Exactly. exciting yes indeed because anyone can with such BV differentials. This is why I think Fernandez with two different quads has the advantage over Chan - mind you Dai has two sort of quads but they are kind of iffy.
I think I might be the only one that’s not into Oda and feel like if Dai skates skate clean (ist) he deserves a score way above a clean Oda. I don’t know why….I don’t know if it’s because Oda still looks like a little boy although he is a man.
* However I do believe Oda has some beautiful knees and smooth jumps when landed.
* However I do believe Oda has some beautiful knees and smooth jumps when landed.
I'm fine with Dai having 5+ gap on PCS on Oda. But the TES gap is what I find more questionable. That should have been closer, IMO.
Not mysterious at all. The required reduction for a stumble in the step sequence is -1 to -2, and the final GOE does not have to be in the minuses. Therefore, it is absolutely plausible for Adam to have received a +2 -- if his GOE started out as +3 and the judges reduced by -1, then that’s a +2. IMO it was definitely a +3 before the stumble, but I would've reduced it by -2 since it was a pretty significant stumble, giving it a final GOE of +1. But all the judges were in range of the reduction requirement.Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Adam Rippon, but how in the world was his step sequence not marked down with -GOE for stumbling out at the end (he received many +2 and +1 GOE in fact)? Very mysterious and!
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ooooo that's risky, skating to a piece that Robin Cousins made iconic.
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Not true at all. Salchow has just as much pre-rotation on the skating leg as a loop (a full half turn) and a toeloop has that much on the picking leg as well. Skaters often pre-rotate MORE than that amount on the salchow and toeloop especially (particularly toeloops on the back end of other jumps), which needs to be accounted for when determining the rotation of the jump. Lutz and Flip can both pre-rotate a half turn on the picking foot as well. Ideal technique on the Flip and Lutz jumps means you won't pre-rotate that much, but there's nothing particularly "wrong" with it.
YES, IT IS. Everything exists within a circle. Where you start and where you end is all relative.
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Poor Oda! i think he's robbed big time.
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Poor Oda indeed! His quad on replay was clearly rotated enough, and Daisuke's on replay was clearly under-rotated. I know Dai's had his troubles recently and the tech specialist maybe threw him a bone, but there was no reason for Oda's to be <.
Lovely program by Takahashi and certainly his best skate in a while, but Takahashi should be only about 3 or 4 points ahead of Oda, not 13. Certainly shouldn't have earned a PB for that skate.
Lovely program by Takahashi and certainly his best skate in a while, but Takahashi should be only about 3 or 4 points ahead of Oda, not 13. Certainly shouldn't have earned a PB for that skate.
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Aside from his SB, another silver lining for Max is that he gained a little bit of ground in each of his components compared to Skate America.
Plus he seems to have a pattern of placing higher in the FS than the SP. #Rise #NoBackingDown
Heck, I'd say keep the PCS as is and give him a 5 point gap. I say I would be fine if Oda got 88 and Takahashi got 93. I really feel they were stingy on the +GOE with Oda and really generous with Takahashi.
I feel Takahashi is the reverse of what we usually see, high TES generating higher PCS scores. Takahashi seems to captivate everyone with the second mark so much, people are inclined to give out those +1s and +2s!
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I would have probably had Oda at about 86 points and Takahashi at 90 (as mentioned his +2 and +3's on his spins were rather generous). Most certainly I would have Takahashi several points ahead of Oda on PCS, but the technical mark should have gone to Oda.
Interesting. Thank you for explaining that!
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Fully agree. I watched the replay over and over again, and that jump was fully rotated, no questions about it. The technical controller should give him 6 points back. I can understand the edge call on the Lutz, but it's extremely slight.
Interesting that Oda's quad was downgraded but on replay clearly rotated, and that Dai's was apparently under-rotated on replay but I guess no surprise that this was flubbed by the judges. I think politics and rep play into the scoring too, per usual.
Marveloso for Dai, clearly a master skater in many ways. I think the fact he always skates well in Japan helped him here. But the score I think is overly high, especially considering the under-rotation some feel there was on his quad on replays. I shouldn't be surprised, but again the judging leaves so much to be desired.
Clearly, Adam Rippon is a skater with much better skating and presentation skills than Mura and Oda, and more musicality and artistry than Javier Fernandez. Adam was *** heavily underscored on PCS! If Adam can just master that quad cleanly and not make any other minor or major mistakes, he should definitely move up in the scoring (and he could have placed second or third here in the sp, IMHO). Fernandez made a mistake and his sp is underwhelming (the costume confusing). Javi skated the program with no real relation to the music. It's a shame he picked that piece of music too without being able to come close to doing it justice (since Robin Cousins skated a memorable iconic exhibition to it). I agree there is reason to have Javi slightly behind both Oda and Rippon, and at the least he should not be ahead of them by 2 points. But once again, rep points come into play. Oda has great knees and he's a jumping machine, but he was not skating to or even coming close to interpreting the music. Oda's PCS skills are over-rated IMO because of his great jumping ability.
I also think that Max Aaron deserved some higher scores to reflect the improvement he is showing in presentation. It is just not being recognized. It seems that he needs to focus more on landing those quads to get due respect. IMHO, Mura and Voronov are not that much better than Max re presentation skills. The judges pick and choose erratically on those PCS categories. The scoring needs to be reformed.
Figure skating rips my heart out with its excesses and ineptitudes re scoring.
Marveloso for Dai, clearly a master skater in many ways. I think the fact he always skates well in Japan helped him here. But the score I think is overly high, especially considering the under-rotation some feel there was on his quad on replays. I shouldn't be surprised, but again the judging leaves so much to be desired.
Clearly, Adam Rippon is a skater with much better skating and presentation skills than Mura and Oda, and more musicality and artistry than Javier Fernandez. Adam was *** heavily underscored on PCS! If Adam can just master that quad cleanly and not make any other minor or major mistakes, he should definitely move up in the scoring (and he could have placed second or third here in the sp, IMHO). Fernandez made a mistake and his sp is underwhelming (the costume confusing). Javi skated the program with no real relation to the music. It's a shame he picked that piece of music too without being able to come close to doing it justice (since Robin Cousins skated a memorable iconic exhibition to it). I agree there is reason to have Javi slightly behind both Oda and Rippon, and at the least he should not be ahead of them by 2 points. But once again, rep points come into play. Oda has great knees and he's a jumping machine, but he was not skating to or even coming close to interpreting the music. Oda's PCS skills are over-rated IMO because of his great jumping ability.
I also think that Max Aaron deserved some higher scores to reflect the improvement he is showing in presentation. It is just not being recognized. It seems that he needs to focus more on landing those quads to get due respect. IMHO, Mura and Voronov are not that much better than Max re presentation skills. The judges pick and choose erratically on those PCS categories. The scoring needs to be reformed.
Figure skating rips my heart out with its excesses and ineptitudes re scoring.
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Thanks a million for videos Mao88! 
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