Everyone said all the above if he wanted to GO to the Olympics. And he made it to Sochi with one sucessful 3a in his fs. Cop has no built in standards. Quads are hard and unreliable and hanyu got 75 in a sp too! What does that tell you. Fernandez bombed all gp events because quads are hard.
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If quads are so hard, then why are people doing them? Are you advocating a splat fest to satisfy your need to do the "hard stuff."
As I said, go do Jason's program as it's choreographed with all the transitions. And then you can come back to me and tell me if it was "conservative" or "easy.'
my heart was breaking looking at his sad, sad eyes.
But he is strong, and young yet, and finding his way, and he will go to Worlds with Jason and there will be three spots next year and my heart will be happier. And then they will have three spots for 2018, and then my dream Olympic team will be Max, Joshua and Jason, and Jason can be the seasoned veteran
I think Max has tremendous potential, too, just like Jason. We know that Max can jump, and hopefully he will be a more complete skater in future years. He already shows great enthusiasm and I think he will be a lot of fun to watch. He just needs to work on the inbetweens.
BTW, has anyone seen that Jason's ponytail has its own Twitter?
https://twitter.com/2014PonyPower
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I think to be a good "dancer" you have to have some native ability. I just don't know how much of that you can learn. You have to be able to feel the music and let it transport you. Good luck to Max in this effort - but, I think he's going to have the same problem at Worlds that he had at Nats. He can jump with the best of them but the top guys will beat him on the performance score every time! And I agree with whoever said his coach took an easy way out. Not sure I would have worded it that way but he didn't exactly work with what he had - he tried to make it different. Carmen is a melodramatic piece of music and takes a dramatic interpretation.
As I've said repeatedly - Jason has a quad. He and Kori made the decision not to use it. They felt it was more important this year (because in the beginning he felt he had no chance to make the Olympics his first year in Seniors) that he go out and skate a good, clean program. Why is everybody starting to pick him apart?
As I've said repeatedly - Jason has a quad. He and Kori made the decision not to use it. They felt it was more important this year (because in the beginning he felt he had no chance to make the Olympics his first year in Seniors) that he go out and skate a good, clean program. Why is everybody starting to pick him apart?
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I wonder if Jason's ponytail has friended Trankov's yellow pants...
He doesn't have the quad until he does it in competition. That's just how it goes. He may have it in practice, but that's not the same as pulling it out in competition. I'm in full support of Team Brown's strategy (I mean, obviously it got him to the Olympics), but I'm not so blind of a fan to know that without it he is not going to be competitive with the likes of Chan, Hanyu and Javier.
I don't think it's unreasonable to provide constructive criticism of areas where Jason can improve. Even with the skate of his life, Kori still had plenty to say in the K&C afterwards.
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He will get the quad though I wasn`t as impressed as most with is riverdance. I think Bourne and Kraatz far more captivated the audience and footwork granted they are ice dancers brown had the outfit but really didn`t hae the feet imho. I am curious what pcs Brown would get if he had two falls.
His program is the best among men this season, fresh, fast, so much connection to the audience, the choreography is amazing, when I saw it I thought he skates for 8 minutes, he does so many things in between and he has the most original transitions into jumps i have ever seen!
Try watch it without sound,you notice even more his choreography and the little litttle things that make it special.
Thanks for the suggestion! I did notice a lot more of the choreography. And it was still just as compelling even without the music, which makes me think he should try skating to the refrigerator running because somehow I think he could make that work.
Quads have increased in occurrence because they are worth a lot of points and they have been incredibly vital to Chan's success and it is absolutely believed that you must MUST have won to compete with Chan and do the best but there's lots of ways to get Chan level tech without quads as Jason Brown showed so vividly and PCS is PCS it is just not tied to jumps because Chan got amazing PCS without quads and he gets amazing PCS with quads which is very much like Jason Brown! The scoring system just doesn't make their inclusion for the most points mandatory. His program is conservative and comparatively easy when it comes to excluding the quad. That's conservatism. Lots of men can land quads and doesn't mean something is a splat fests if an event has quads. Or Jason BRown doing quads would be a splat fest at this point.
Of course it is true that you don't have a jump until its ratified numerous times! One of Brown's 3A in the FS wasn't even ratified.
Look at how many people call Jason Brown the complete skater with everything and he's never done a quad. That means he doesn't do everything but everyone is proclaiming him a complete skater with everything because just like the scoring system doesn't give special status to quads neither do people and why Jason Brown with 2 3A's done at Us nationals won the FS and lost by 4 points because the ability of 3 3A and 3 quads against 2 3A and PCS and GOE on spins and steps is just no contest.
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During the telecast of the Boston gala, Johnny Weir commented favorably on Max's natural dancing skills.
Funny that you feel entitled to complain that Jason is the one getting picked apart.
And yet you have no problem participating in even worse treatment of Max in this thread.
Max and Jason both have plenty to offer. I don't want either one to get picked apart.
He doesn't have the quad until he does it in competition. That's just how it goes. He may have it in practice, but that's not the same as pulling it out in competition. I'm in full support of Team Brown's strategy (I mean, obviously it got him to the Olympics), but I'm not so blind of a fan to know that without it he is not going to be competitive with the likes of Chan, Hanyu and Javier.
I don't think it's unreasonable to provide constructive criticism of areas where Jason can improve. Even with the skate of his life, Kori still had plenty to say in the K&C afterwards.
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If so, I hope that they have not left out @CharliesCurls.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/video/9...ater-a-surprise-addition-to-u-s-olympic-team/
Interview with Jason's parents and brother for Chicago CBS affiliate. Lots of cute photos of Jason as a kid.
Interview with Jason's parents and brother for Chicago CBS affiliate. Lots of cute photos of Jason as a kid.
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Golden, I have said repeatedly said that Max's style of skating is not pleasing TO ME. But have qualified it with that it might be pleasing to some purists who think the jumping ability defines the greatness of the skater. I disagree with someone who said Jason doesn't skate fast enough, his jumps aren't high enough or long enough or hard enough (even tho all he didn't lay down was a quad) and then someone says his Riverdance isn't as good as Bourne and Kraatz. Well criminy - of COURSE it isn't. They're ice dancers. They aren't worried about the next triple jump they have to do. Or the odious spin with forty-two positions to get maximum points, AND, if I remember correctly, they skated under the 6.0 judging. My question was - why are we even comparing the two programs - that's like comparing apples and oranges! Or apples and cucumbers. There is no basis for comparison other than the music. And were you at TD Garden when he skated his LP? Were you there to see the reaction from the crowd? I was. And I tell you - it was magical. I've been to numerous competitions over the years - nationals and grand prixs and worlds, and there have been very few skates that have elicited that type of reaction.
I personally don't see Max's dancing skills! Perhaps I'm blinded to them. And we can pick apart Jason's LP until the cows come home. BUT - it was entertaining, it earned him a silver medal and an Olympic appointment in senior skating his first year in seniors. And the public has responded to that skate like no other in recent years. I want figure skating to be a focus again in the US and if it takes a man without a quad and mad talent to do it - so be it! Max was the national champion and managed to get the bronze. There has been little or no hype about him. He isn't a household name. His national championship wasn't a topic of conversation except with die-hard figure skating fans. I like both men. I'm favorable to Jason because that's the kind of skating I like. I also think it's the type of skating the average television viewer would be appreciative of.
Do with that what you will.
eta: oh by the way - I don't feel entitled to anything other than my opinion. Which is about worth what yours is! Different strokes for different folks. I think Max is mad-talented and athletic. I just don't think jumps are the be-all and end-all of figure skating right now. I'm glad he's taking dance and winning whatever contest that was mentioned. I just didn't see it in his LP.
This isn't a Max versus Jason situation - it's what the judges are rewarding!
I personally don't see Max's dancing skills! Perhaps I'm blinded to them. And we can pick apart Jason's LP until the cows come home. BUT - it was entertaining, it earned him a silver medal and an Olympic appointment in senior skating his first year in seniors. And the public has responded to that skate like no other in recent years. I want figure skating to be a focus again in the US and if it takes a man without a quad and mad talent to do it - so be it! Max was the national champion and managed to get the bronze. There has been little or no hype about him. He isn't a household name. His national championship wasn't a topic of conversation except with die-hard figure skating fans. I like both men. I'm favorable to Jason because that's the kind of skating I like. I also think it's the type of skating the average television viewer would be appreciative of.
Do with that what you will.
eta: oh by the way - I don't feel entitled to anything other than my opinion. Which is about worth what yours is! Different strokes for different folks. I think Max is mad-talented and athletic. I just don't think jumps are the be-all and end-all of figure skating right now. I'm glad he's taking dance and winning whatever contest that was mentioned. I just didn't see it in his LP.
This isn't a Max versus Jason situation - it's what the judges are rewarding!
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I love both Max and Jason (and Joshua of course), so the Nationals result hurt my heart. They are all such different skaters. And I love them all for the things that make them different. I wish Max felt more free to be himself, rather than feeling forced to conform to some stupid USFSA-mould. Max isn't Jason and he never will be. And Jason isn't Max and never will be. The USFSA missed the marketing boat with Max last year; they went about it all wrong. Instead of showing off a handsome, charming, intelligent young man who happened to be a wonderful athlete, they tried to hammer the hockey thing beyond belief (doesn't work, guys), and focused the spotlight on his efforts to improve the second mark, rather than spotlighting what he already did well.
There is one way that Jason, Joshua, and Max are all alike, and it is the reason I love them so; they always look like they're enjoying themselves, and they always look like they have never forgotten that they were once children skating for the pure enjoyment of skating.
There is one way that Jason, Joshua, and Max are all alike, and it is the reason I love them so; they always look like they're enjoying themselves, and they always look like they have never forgotten that they were once children skating for the pure enjoyment of skating.
I don't get the "trying to conform" vibe from Max at all. I think he's taking responsibility for his skating and has a sincere desire to improve and grow in his skating.
FWIW, my husband liked Jason, Max and Josh! He liked Jason's performance and charisma, Max's power and Joshua's elegant skating. I came into Nationals being a major uber of Jason and I left still a Jason uber, but with a deep respect for Joshua and Max's skating as well.
And certainly Jason and Co. appreciate Joshua and Max's skating as well. A big reason Kori moved Jason to Colorado in the first place was the hope that he could train alongside Max!
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-highland-park-skater-senior-grand-prix-debut
So certainly the comment that Jason could be faster and jump bigger isn't completely off-base.
God, skating would be boring if all favorites were perfect, no? I love the process of growth and discovery!
So was I! Does the fact I acknowledge that that skate could even better mean it was less magical for me? Of course not! And Jason and Kori know that skate could be better too:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/starstuck-jason-brown-settles-olympic-reality#sthash.j1Nu1p68.dpuf
Back to the thread title at hand, a YouTube count update: 2,845,282.
Also, his SP from U.S. Nationals is getting 52,727 views! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0u6M6ALdK8
It looks like all his YouTube videos are getting a bit of a boost. His FS from Jr. Worlds is at 13,442 views; Trophee Eric Bompard, 11,729;
Also, his SP from U.S. Nationals is getting 52,727 views! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0u6M6ALdK8
It looks like all his YouTube videos are getting a bit of a boost. His FS from Jr. Worlds is at 13,442 views; Trophee Eric Bompard, 11,729;
So what exactly is your argument again?
Nothing in cop makes quads necessary. You can get near 90 Tes without it. It's not a necessary move in the Scoring System.
