2014 Olympics Ladies Short Program

[chuckm]

Just a reminder....these were the judges for the SP:

Robert ROSENBLUTH USA
Karen HOWARD CAN
Franco BENINI ITA
Birgit FOELL GER
Diana STEVENS GBR
Nobuhiko YOSHIOKA JPN
Katarina HENRIKSSON SWE
Adriana DOMANSKA SVK
Sung-Hee KOH KOR

No Russian judge, no judges from former SSRs, and only one judge from eastern Europe.
But there will be a different panel of judges for the FS.

 

[starrynight]

I didn't know that, if the judges aren't experts, then why they are judges? I am confused here.

Judges are for sure experts, but at the same time they are all fallible human beings. Homo Politicus.

 

[Meoima]

Tracy Wilson (an actual EXPERT and Olympic medalist who unlike most of the judges actually skated at the highest level) doesnt feel they are experts. She said in an interview after the 2002 Worlds dance scandal that it is time for real experts with skating expertise and experience to become the judges and be hired and fired on their incompetence and impartiality, rather than just "common folk" who are more interested in pleasing their federations or following status quo than anything else. I would be happy to VHS tape she said exactly that 11 years ago if you wish.

Well, that doesn't mean she is right about the whole thing, you know, she is just an individual. I also doubt that there should be some conspiracy since competitions at Olympic have always been influenced by Politics but, i don't buy the whole "judges are not expert" thing.

 

[Layfan]

So Happy for Costner, and that's about all..Wow that competition topped men's fs as worst comp in Sochi. Maybe ladies are tired with this being last event? Russian girls have so much pressure at this age, and it caught Julia , I d think having skated in team first would take the anxiety off, but no.. Unfortunate fall. But I m not happy with them getting same pcs as Mao & Carolina, that both have tried and developed for these marks for so many seasons..
All Japanese ladies didn't deliver.. Sigh, Mao is my heartbroken moment of olys
i thought also Wagner could have been little higher, Gold looked robotic with her choreo. I liked Edmunds very much!!
At the end of the day that was blah competition and I think Yuna was massively underscored for what she put outhere and deserved lot higher than Adelina.

And here I was thinking it was so much better than the men! Yuna, Caro, Adelina, Gracie and Ashley were great. It's definitely a huge bummer about the Japanese, ladies, especially Mao, that's true. I just realized that I haven't seen Edmunds. Can't wait. I didn't think Gold looked robotic but she did look... like she was really trying? I don't know how to explain it but she still has that thing where she looks like she's working through it. but I was so impressed that she did work through it! It was interesting in the replays when the commentators explained how she saved her jumps.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I am still reviewing the protocal and see Sotnikova got more GOE on her triple flip and double axel than Kim, ROTFL!!!!!! especialy the triple flip. This isnt even a sporting event anymore, just a comedy fare, and will remain so even if Sotnikova comes 4th.

Sotnikova's 2Axel is bigger than Kim's.

 

[yuki90]

But Lipnitskaia isn't in the same class as Kim. No one is. Not in this era or maybe ever.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wagner-gracie-gold-julia-lipnitskaia/5608013/

YuNa, you are the best. Thanks for your wonderful performance.

 

[hippomoomin]

Yuna: She skated with much more emotion here than ever before, considering I don't even like the music. I think if she stays around, she can be a great great artist.

Mao: Missed her skate since I have to work. But I am not completely surprised. She has been in a very vulnerable position in recent years: the quality of her jumps has been deteriorating for me. But she set up her goal to be the gold, but I believed her real goal should be on the podium.

Gracie: The smaller body-smallerjump-less error combo worked again. If she were 10lb heavier, she could have a fall on her 2A.

Julia: How exactly did she get that fall? Lack of concentration? Distraction from the audience?

Adelina: also missed her skate. Trying to get the nbc website's replay work but it is still initializing…:disapp:

 

[jenaj]

Just a reminder....these were the judges for the SP:

Robert ROSENBLUTH USA
Karen HOWARD CAN
Franco BENINI ITA
Birgit FOELL GER
Diana STEVENS GBR
Nobuhiko YOSHIOKA JPN
Katarina HENRIKSSON SWE
Adriana DOMANSKA SVK
Sung-Hee KOH KOR

No Russian judge, no judges from former SSRs, and only one judge from eastern Europe.
But there will be a different panel of judges for the FS.

That looks like a pretty incorruptible panel. I'm sure the judges scored it like they saw it. Just because someone disagrees with the judges doesn't mean there is corruption. Judging is inherently subject to disagreements; that's why it's called judging instead of scorekeeping.

 

[Layfan]

Gracie: The smaller body-smallerjump-less error combo worked again. If she were 10lb heavier, she could have a fall on her 2A.

what's this about?

 

[Meoima]

Now a judge like Jan Hoffmann (a former Olympic medalist) or Jean Senft (who has family members involved in the sport and went through the courses and tests honestly right from the bottom) are rare judges who are indeed experts. Most judges, especialy from Eastern Europe and Asia whose process of getting to that stage is not even closely monitored by anyone outside their own country, much less so. There was a Russian judge for year who was only judging since she was the Russian federation leader's wife. She is still judging in fact. No other reason, just being a spouse of someone important.

Really? And NBC's commentators are being paid off? What about BBC commentators? Currently I am using Sochi app on appstore, it's an official app. The commentators sound British.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Really? And NBC's commentators are being paid off? What about BBC commentators? Currently I am using Sochi app on appstore, it's an official app. The commentators sound British.

If Russia was paying off NBC they should have also bought a nice fluff piece like NBC did for Yuna last night with Ryan Seachrest.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

That looks like a pretty incorruptible panel. I'm sure the judges scored it like they saw it. Just because someone disagrees with the judges doesn't mean there is corruption. Judging is inherently subject to disagreements; that's why it's called judging instead of scorekeeping.

I'm sorry, but Sotnikova getting 9.50, 9.25, 9.75, 9.50, and 9.75 for PCS by one judge is blatantly bad scoring. This is why we need transparency because we will never know which judge gave those scores... probably the one who just "inherited" a Russian mansion.

 

[mirai4life]

*** @ Adelina's 3T-3T lol. How did she get so high

I hope she's not joking about working on 4T...

 

[Meoima]

If Russia was paying off NBC they should have also bought a nice fluff piece like NBC did for Yuna last night with Ryan Seachrest.

Yup, that's why I am confused here. I have seen so many posts with conspiracy theories, about all the judges, fix scoring and they even said the commentators were being paid off. Well, it would be easier if I believe one of those theories, it's just... Confusing.

 

[jenaj]

I'm sorry, but Sotnikova getting 9.50, 9.25, 9.75, 9.50, and 9.75 for PCS by one judge is blatantly bad scoring. This is why we need transparency because we will never know which judge gave those scores... probably the one who just "inherited" a Russian mansion.

Bad scoring is not the same as corrupt scoring. And if those were the highest scores, they would have been thrown out, so someone would have wasted their pay-off money.

 

[Ziggy]

Now a judge like Jan Hoffmann (a former Olympic medalist) or Jean Senft (who has family members involved in the sport and went through the courses and tests honestly right from the bottom) are rare judges who are indeed experts. Most judges, especialy from Eastern Europe and Asia whose process of getting to that stage is not even closely monitored by anyone outside their own country, much less so. There was a Russian judge for year who was only judging since she was the Russian federation leader's wife. She is still judging in fact. No other reason, just being a spouse of someone important.

The process of judges from Eastern Europe and Asia becoming ISU judges is no different from the process of US or Canadian judges. The only thing a federation can do is select which judges to put forward to lower ranked international events. Whether they later rise up the ranks to be able to judge senior ISU events or whether they do not is entirely out of the national federations' hands and up to the ISU, based on how their performance is evaluated as well as on how active they are.

Alla Shekhovtsova isn't just Piseev's wife. She is also an Ice Dance coach and a member of the ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee.

 

[tjskate]

This was 2002, under the old 6.0 system (and it was pairs, not dance.) The system is pretty different now, not foolproof and probably needs work, but I still maintain it's pretty hard to mark wrongly, you'd get called on the carpet pretty quickly. And just because a skater has attained the senior levels of skating, that doesn't qualify them to judge. They do have a head start, and that is why most Technical Specialists are former elite skaters.

It seems to me that you have a pretty low opinion of judges, and nothing I can say will change that. I happen to have a great respect for their dedication and knowledge.

And I probably also have that tape, so thank you but no thanks for the VHS.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Just a reminder....these were the judges for the SP:

Robert ROSENBLUTH USA
Karen HOWARD CAN
Franco BENINI ITA
Birgit FOELL GER
Diana STEVENS GBR
Nobuhiko YOSHIOKA JPN
Katarina HENRIKSSON SWE
Adriana DOMANSKA SVK
Sung-Hee KOH KOR

No Russian judge, no judges from former SSRs, and only one judge from eastern Europe.
But there will be a different panel of judges for the FS.

USA - Boost Adelina b/c they are mad at Yuna and Caro for always beating Ashley and Gracie
CAN - Boost Adelina because she looks like Kaetlyn
ITA - Judge mad at Caro because she gets all the attention from Valentina. Boost Adelina
GER - Boost Adelina because Witt also skated to Carmen
GBR - Boost Adelina because their flag also has red white and blue
JPN - Boost Adelina because they don't want Yuna to win
SWE and SVK - Boost Adelina because they are just happy to be in Russia and on the judging panel
KOR - Boost Adelina because maybe she will marry a Korean after Yuna retires and be the country's #1

The judging controversy makes perfect sense with these obvious explanations.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Bad scoring is not the same as corrupt scoring. And if those were the highest scores, they would have been thrown out, so someone would have wasted their pay-off money.

They don't throw out the highest and lowest scores (for PCS at least). I believe they randomly take scores, which may or may not include the highest and lowest. Getting rid of the highest and lowest would make sense though - tons of other judged sports do that.

 

[Ziggy]

I'm sorry, but Sotnikova getting 9.50, 9.25, 9.75, 9.50, and 9.75 for PCS by one judge is blatantly bad scoring. This is why we need transparency because we will never know which judge gave those scores... probably the one who just "inherited" a Russian mansion.

Much more likely, IMO, is that this judge was very impressed by how well executed her technical elements were and either didn't care or didn't have enough time to consider everything that was in between. And since elements were good, everything else was good as well, right?