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Any particular skater aside, with such a huge differences all over the board, are we sure judges know what they are doing ?

If you look at that format posted on X, who wouldn't be confused? I use the format I always have - the one on the website:



Everything makes perfect sense to me. But then I know scoring.
 
Are you referring to Belinda Noonan commentating? I love her commentary.... which network is she commentating?
Oops just saw this and yes she's commentating for Australian TV/Stan (not sure if Stan is available in other places or if it's an Aussie thing) - although the free to air coverage of the Olympics on Ch 9 is rather dire this time around (they're only showing highlights!), luckily my parents have Stan so I can watch the whole event.

I enjoy Belinda too! Except for that one time she was totally tearing up Moriss G for his quad technique, I have a soft spot for Moriss though so I may have been unfair :laugh2:
 
If they weren't recieving a responce, assuming it would be positive seems unwise. Having a backup program in good shape with secure copyright would have been prudent. There is plenty of Rusdian music that's nocer than the waltz 1805.
Clearly they made a mistake by trusting the wrong people. Hope the lesson learned and they will deal with someone reliable.
 
If you look at that format posted on X, who wouldn't be confused? I use the format I always have - the one on the website:



Everything makes perfect sense to me. But then I know scoring.
How does a different format changes the placement? I wish people actually got the sense of the post before replying it.
 
You seem to be misunderstanding something. The discussion was about you being biased for the Russian skater and not fairly judging Egadze's qualities.

You claim Gumennik should get higher PCS but offer no analysis of the programs. You claim he is "obviously better" when he wasn't.
For me its about how they move, Petr legs bend, back is moving, arms are fluid and movement is nicely projected. His edges are deeper and his program even the one made 3 days ago is less empty and has less crossovers than Egadze.

Egadze has a very good program this year I think, it hides his shortcomings well but with the big mistakes that he made I dont think it works. Apart from that he is very stiff while skating, he makes movements yes but it seems like that's it, there no dynamic apart from crossovers that he gaines good speed with and glides nicely.

I think for this competition they were more or less equal as reflected in PCS, Nikas mistakes were very disruptive and Petrs program was not as good as his perfume unfortunately. But overall because of above reasons I consider Petya a superior skater.
 
Figure skating is not the only sport where music is used. Imagine to change the music in gymnastics or artistic swimming. Their sport organizations clearly do something. But in FS we had too many skaters too close to Olympics suddenly with music troubles. Because ISU is not a sport organization. They are in minus in spor income. They earn in their previous investments and want to live like that occasionally pretending that they are working.
I think it's a little different in gymnastics because the routines are shorter. There's no set amount, but generally if you use only 5% of a song, it's not the heart of the song, and it's not for monetary value, it's fair use. The gymnasts aren't allowed to use music with lyrics either although vocals are allowed as long as they're not forming actual words, granted the line is pretty blurry (I'm not sure instrumental versions of the Beyonce songs I've heard should have been given a pass or Hezly Rivera's Pentatonix floor routine). If I were the leaders of figure skating, I might seriously consider going back to no lyrics. It won't solve all the issues, but it can prevent some of them. It seems especially tricky with music from movies that collaborate with outside music artists.
 
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Czech TV broadcasted Short Programs of 17 men. We could watch the height and air time of men.

I compared the height of all quad jumps and triple axels.

One exception - Kevin Aymoz's 3axel was not measured....?

Sure it is just indicative. Skater is more tired in the second half of the program. Different type of jump means different take off. Ilia is entering 3axel literally from steps.

But if you are interested, take a look.

 
I think it's a little different in gymnastics because the routines are shorter. There's no set amount, but generally if you use only 5% of a song, it's not the heart of the song, and it's not for monetary value, it's fair use. The gymnasts aren't allowed to use music with lyrics either although vocals are allowed as long as they're not forming actual words, granted the line is pretty blurry (I'm not sure instrumental versions of the Beyonce songs I've heard should have been given a pass or Hezly Rivera's Pentatonix floor routine). If I were the leaders of figure skating, I might seriously consider going back to no lyrics. It won't solve all the issues, but it can prevent some of them. It seems especially tricky with music from movies that collaborate with outside music artists.
A simple solution is classical music, a wealth of it waiting there to be explored and zero music right issues!
In Artistic gymnastics Adelina Melnikova had to change her music to floor routine just before Tokyo Games due to music rights and was very unhappy about it, so they do have the same problem in AG.
 
Having Adam Siao Him Fa on the podium makes me nervous. I would somehow feel safer with him lower in the ranking. Can we convince him that he is like 15th or something? So he can have yet another spectacular comeback straight to the podium?
Jokes aside, I really really really hope he won't self-destruct on Friday.
Exactly the same sentiment here. Nervous as hell about tomorrow.
1 - 2 are locked I think. If they play smart Adam does no even need 4 quads , three and clean program will keep him in third. But I doubt he will play safe it is not Adam is it?
 
A simple solution is classical music, a wealth of it waiting there to be explored and zero music right issues!
In Artistic gymnastics Adelina Melnikova had to change her music to floor routine just before Tokyo Games due to music rights and was very unhappy about it, so they do have the same problem in AG.
I think only classical music would be too artistically limiting. There's instrumental music in other genres, including movie scores and jazz.
 
Czech TV broadcasted Short Programs of 17 men. We could watch the height and air time of men.

I compared the height of all quad jumps and triple axels.

One exception - Kevin Aymoz's 3axel was not measured....?

Sure it is just indicative. Skater is more tired in the second half of the program. Different type of jump means different take off. Ilia is entering 3axel literally from steps.

But if you are interested, take a look.


All that confirms is what i have been always saying, Kagiyama's jumps lack height, that's why he makes mistakes so often.
 
A simple solution is classical music, a wealth of it waiting there to be explored and zero music right issues!
In Artistic gymnastics Adelina Melnikova had to change her music to floor routine just before Tokyo Games due to music rights and was very unhappy about it, so they do have the same problem in AG.
It is incorrect to assume that classical music means no copyright. People had been caught with issues with who had recorded/performed it, and with the estates that reserve copyright. Basically, a good lawyer is a valuable addition to a team.
 
I think only classical music would be too artistically limiting. There's instrumental music in other genres, including movie scores and jazz.
most of the problems I have heard about this year were Movies soundtrack.

Instrumental is fine but it requires to be in public domain. When people refer to classical music, that's more or less what they mean. Music that is now free of rights.
 
All that confirms is what i have been always saying, Kagiyama's jumps lack height, that's why he makes mistakes so often.
Yuma skates on a different trajectory. Some skaters vault themselves very high up. Yuma seems to go for an arch. For instance, you can compare Amber's 3a. It looks high compared to Kaori's 2a who does a long jump but not as high ?

Just my impression.
 
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Yuma skates on a different trajectory. Some skaters vault themselves very high up. Yuma seems to go for an arch. For instance, you can compare Amber's 3a. It looks high compared to Kaori's who does a long jump but not as high ?

Just my impression.
Well, his jumps consistently have less height in this table from this field.
 
most of the problems I have heard about this year were Movies soundtrack.

Instrumental is fine but it requires to be in public domain. When people refer to classical music, that's more or less what they mean. Music that is now free of rights.
I said scores, not soundtracks. There's a difference. A movie like Minions has a score and a soundtrack. The soundtrack is going to have more problems than the score because with the score there's usually only one or two people who get credit as composers. With soundtracks, there are typically outside artists because the songs have lyrics. The Hunger Games is similar is similar to Minions. On the other hand, with Interstellar or Gladiator, for example, you're going to have less issues. I know what the public domain is, and I don't think we need to be that strict. I'm even more worried about AI generated music becoming the future.
 
I said scores, not soundtracks. There's a difference. A movie like Minions has a score and a soundtrack. The soundtrack is going to have more problems than the score because with the score there's usually only one or two people who get credit as composers. With soundtracks, there are typically outside artists because the songs have lyrics. The Hunger Games is similar is similar to Minions. On the other hand, with Interstellar or Gladiator, for example, you're going to have less issues. I know what the public domain is, and I don't think we need to be that strict. I'm even more worried about AI generated music becoming the future.
sure... but scores are not always great music to skate to. Dune has been used ad nauseam already and I am not one of the ones who likes that experience :)
 
Many people are up in arms about the ice dancing result, but very few are talking about Adam being robbed in the SP by getting a lower score than Yuma despite Yuma's obvious mistake on the 3A. Egregiously bad judging there.
 
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