2014 Olympics Ladies Short Program

[Sabrina]

I had the impression that Julia fell maybe because she was to close to the boards. I tried to watch the recording and she is quite close to hitting the boards. I was anyway shocked by her fall, but she managed to stay in the program. She still has a chance to medal. But Mao was beyond words. I expected her to fall on 3A, but no combination????It looked that she chose gold or nothing...sad.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

also far poorer.

Apparently no judge in the arena agreed. Not even the South Korean judge. But you're probably right.

 

[Ophelia]

I had the impression that Julia fell maybe because she was to close to the boards. I tried to watch the recording and she is quite close to hitting the boards. I was anyway shocked by her fall, but she managed to stay in the program. She still has a chance to medal. But Mao was beyond words. I expected her to fall on 3A, but no combination????It looked that she chose gold or nothing...sad.

I think Mao is one of those skaters that unravels after a beginning mistake in the program. She implodes and can't fight through and patch herself together in time.

I always felt like the 3-Axel was both her blessing and her curse.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I had the impression that Julia fell maybe because she was to close to the boards. I tried to watch the recording and she is quite close to hitting the boards. I was anyway shocked by her fall, but she managed to stay in the program. She still has a chance to medal. But Mao was beyond words. I expected her to fall on 3A, but no combination????It looked that she chose gold or nothing...sad.

I had a bad feeling for Julia before she started, she looked extremely nervous at the boards.

 

[tjskate]

I think the judges were also scared of the skinhead Russian crowd and what they will do if a Russian skater is not on the podium
joking but seriously i wish there was some sort of written form the GOE scores.

Hi letitgo, if you go to this website and click on the "+" on the right-hand corner of each skater's results, you can view the full score sheet. (I think that's what you were asking for?)

 

[tjskate]

Hi letitgo, if you go to this website and click on the "+" on the right-hand corner of each skater's results, you can view the full score sheet. (I think that's what you were asking for?)

Well, oops - here's the website http://www.sochi2014.com/en/figure-skating-ladies-short-program

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Hi letitgo, if you go to this website and click on the "+" on the right-hand corner of each skater's results, you can view the full score sheet. (I think that's what you were asking for?)

More detail here: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

 

[HalfTriple]

As I see it, Kim didn't underscore. Her 75 is just about right. However, Kostner should score about 70-71, Adelina 68-69, Gold 65 with my bias points. But the judging today looks more intended to form a close competition.

 

[figurejennah]

Sotnikova's jumps are better than Kim's. Everyone knew that, a long time ago that outside of the Lutz Sotnikova has an edge there. Sotnikova has a Loop, though, which KIM does not have so she will have a 1 triple advantage in the FS, meaning she can fall on a Triple Lutz and still have a BV advantage over Kim.

Sotnikova's spins are in another dimension compared to Kim's. The Combo spin is WAY more stretched out. Her Layback is Level 4 and WAY better than Kim's. Her Flying Camel Spin leave's Kim's in the dust.

She did transitions out of her Triple Flip and Double Axel (the latter into a Twizzle Straignt into her L4 LBSp).

That first combination could have been a Quad-Triple with the amount of height she got on the first jump, with no rotational questions and immaculate landings. She probably got all +3's for that combination (and it would be deserved).

Kim telegraphs more compared to Sotnikova. Sotnikova goes straight into her 3F from steps, Kim takes a bathroom break going into that jump and Sotnikova's transitions into that jump are way more difficult than Kim's.

Kim got a level 3 Step Sequence, Sotnikova didn't IIRC.

Sotnikova performed that program like her life was on the line. I've never seen her sell that program as much as she did, and she added in more choreography (that made sense, hopefully she doesn't wave during the Spiral in her FS cause I'm at a lost for that) which really improved the program. She was amazing.

I do feel like we're finally getting to a point where the younger skaters like Gold, Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova, Edmunds, etc. aren't being penalized because they were "born too late" and it's actually kind of refreshing to see.

Kostner was beautiful, but I think Sotnikova outperformed everyone in the field and apart from Kostner and Sotnikova everyone performed like they were on their way to the Guillotine. Kim was solid, but you could tell she was quite nervous.

Just to let you know 3T-3T combination is a much easier combination than 3L-3T. Also, I've seen Yuna's jumps in person, and her jumps are huge. All the commentators say her jumps are HUGE because she literally flies across the ice. I was amazed because Yuna was really in my opinion much better than most men I saw in that competition. Her jumps have speed, distance and height. Sotnikova's jumps don't have that.

I've never heard anyone say that "Kim takes a bathroom break going into that jump"....? She does all the intricate step sequence right before she jumps, and how is it that she takes a long break? Sotnikova's performance doesn't even come close to Yuna's world championship debut tango sp in 2007, where she broke the world record with 71+.

 

[HalfTriple]

Apparently no judge in the arena agreed. Not even the South Korean judge. But you're probably right.

The judging this season appears lenient to the deficiency of aesthetic quality, and more keen onto one aspect whether skaters manages to land jumps, which is efficient to check a skater like Kim. And PCS is used to make competition more evenly played.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Just to let you know 3T-3T combination is a much easier combination than 3L-3T. Also, I've seen Yuna's jumps in person, and her jumps are huge. All the commentators say her jumps are HUGE because she literally flies across the ice. I was amazed because Yuna was literally better than most men I saw in that competition. Her jumps have speed, distance and height. Sotnikova's jumps don't have that.

I've never heard anyone say that "Kim takes a bathroom break going into that jump"....? She does all the intricate step sequence right before she jumps, and how is it that she takes a long break? Sotnikova's performance doesn't even come close to Yuna's world championship debut tango sp in 2007, where she broke the world record with 71+.

I agree Yuna probably covers more distance but Adelina's are higher. Anyhow, those are only one factor of the jump's GOE. I don't think you can argue Yuna's steps into her 3F are more intricate than Adelina's. Yuna finishes her steps before she gets to the middle of the rink.

 

[Enero]

As I see it, Kim didn't underscore. Her 75 is just about right. However, Kostner should score about 70-71, Adelina 68-69, Gold 65 with my bias points. But the judging today looks more intended to form a close competition.

I agree. I hate to think what would've happened had Lipinskaya skated clean. She probably would've overtaken Yuna which would've been outrageous. She has a lot of potential, but she lacks the polish of the top skaters.

This event was actually pretty a great. I thought Yuna was spectacular. I don't think I've ever seen her skate with so much emotion. I feel just terrible for Mao. Her program is gorgeous. It hurts that she had such a horrible skate. I was really hoping to see her and Yuna battle it out in the free skate.

Kostner was wonderful as was Adelina, but I still wouldn't have put them as close to Yuna as they are.

Gracie did well enough. Though she skates with more maturity than Polina, I thought technically Polina had the better skate.

All in all it was a great competition. I hope the free program goes just as well.

 

[bekalc]

Just to let you know 3T-3T combination is a much easier combination than 3L-3T. Also, I've seen Yuna's jumps in person, and her jumps are huge. All the commentators say her jumps are HUGE because she literally flies across the ice. I was amazed because Yuna was really in my opinion much better than most men I saw in that competition. Her jumps have speed, distance and height. Sotnikova's jumps don't have that.

I've never heard anyone say that "Kim takes a bathroom break going into that jump"....? She does all the intricate step sequence right before she jumps, and how is it that she takes a long break? Sotnikova's performance doesn't even come close to Yuna's world championship debut tango sp in 2007, where she broke the world record with 71+.

Kim has big jumps but so does Adelina.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

The judging this season appears lenient to the deficiency of aesthetic quality, and more keen onto one aspect whether skaters manages to land jumps, which is efficient to check a skater like Kim. And PCS is used to make competition more evenly played.

If Yuna was as good a spinner as Adelina this wouldn't be nearly as close. Yuna isn't the best at everything, nor is Caro or Adelina. That's why they are close. While Adelina may not have the reputation, she skates as big at the best. Yes she needs more refinement but Yuna could have had more spark as well.

 

[Jewels]

More detail here: http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

How the hell did Adelina score higher than Yuna in technical scores? wow

 

[s_parks]

I'll probably get shot for saying this, but I wouldn't have Carolina that close to Yuna. Given, I would give her high pcs marks, but overall, not that high. Had her around 72. Didn't think yuna was underscored though. Adelina... yeah, let's not talk about her pcs.

 

[bekalc]

If Yuna was as good a spinner as Adelina this wouldn't be nearly as close. Yuna isn't the best at everything, nor is Caro or Adelina. That's why they are close. While Adelina may not have the reputation, she skates as big at the best. Yes she needs more refinement but Yuna could have had more spark as well.

And I think Yu na needs some refinement to. Kim has great arms but I agree with Dick on the free leg.

 

[alexis]

I really wish there would be mental age test to be able to post on this forum...
His/her post history was absolutely horrendous. How is he/she not banned yet?

If I wanted to see trolls or immature brats, I would've gone to 4chan or local Chuck-e-Cheese

:agree:

 

[HalfTriple]

In the past, jump is measured comprehensively; takeoff, air position, axis, rotations, landing and flow, speed, continuity, height. all these elements needs to be executed with qualitative merits, rightfully so. That's why Rachael Flatt didn't score much and almost always subject to penalized evaluation despite her consistency in landing. I wonder if Flatt is a Russian and competed today, how she could have scored.

 

[HalfTriple]

If Yuna was as good a spinner as Adelina this wouldn't be nearly as close. Yuna isn't the best at everything, nor is Caro or Adelina. That's why they are close. While Adelina may not have the reputation, she skates as big at the best. Yes she needs more refinement but Yuna could have had more spark as well.

You pointed an interesting point. right, Kim's weak point right now is power in her skating. She is not overpowering as she once was. But more polished. But ironically the ISU judging system that advocated the "quality" in the skating and makes Kim what she is today is functioning differently, to be accurate denying its original agendas.