Probably another person who just accepts the corruption and thinks it's part of the system you have to play. Disgusting. Anyone who feels that way should be cleaned out from the sport.
2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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Probably another person who just accepts the corruption and thinks it's part of the system you have to play. Disgusting. Anyone who feels that way should be cleaned out from the sport.
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Totally agree, everyone was seeing that coming after the short, I was shocked when I saw Sotnikova's scores for her frenetic and not graceful skate
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Didn't you see how the judge hug Adelina? They know each other. It was a set up, duh. Did you ever see a photo of Tara, Kristi, Sarah, Shizuka or Yuna hug a judge?
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So you accept all this corruption as part of a good thing then? Adelina made two technical errors. She ended up with only six clean triples in the end.
The complaining really should have started after the short was over. The handwriting was on the wall then and was so blatant I really don't understand why there wasn't an uproar . I sense Yu-na probably knew then what her fate might be. I wonder if her team ever considered putting in another jump or combo as insurance. I think Yu-na will recover from this well and her disappointment will be short lived. Anyway, for me her lp and mao's will be what comes to mind when I remember this Olympics. Adelina will be emboldened by her success and improve or the pressure will get to her and she will begin to decline. Seventeen is a young age to deal with what faces her in the near future.
Can't believe I just read this whole thread. Before the competition, I was hoping that the Americans would do well, but didn't expect any of them to medal. Thought most likely the medalists would include Kim (definitely), and two of Asada, Kostner and a Russian, likely Lipnitskaya. Sentimental favorite for me would have been Asada gold and Kim silver. So, after the whole competition, including team, pairs, dance, mens and ladies, here is my takeaway on the judging: It was most definitely suspect and, sad to say, not unexpected. The problem for the ladies' event is that even if one believes that Sotnikova SHOULD have won on merit (which I don't) the suspicious judging that went on throughout the entire Olympic competition (and let's face it, has occured at other competitions too) has definitely marred her victory. It's never a good thing to have significant numbers of people (average fans, other competitors, knowledgeable fans, other skating experts, etc.) believing that one person should have won but did not because of bad judging. Like it or not, this will ALWAYS be a tainted victory. Not Sotnikova's fault, just as the scandal in Salt Lake City wasn't the fault of the Russian pair, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze, who were initially given the gold medal over the Canadian pair, Sale & Pelletier. This whole experience, from the team competition to the ladies' competition has been TERRIBLE for figure skating. I've been a fan for many years and I'm sick of it. Totally understandable, however, why so many more casual fans have turned the sport off over the years. CoP has not done what it was supposedly designed to do -- how could it, when the system is still open to manipulation and judges are "anonymous"?
why people ignore the SHORT program!!!! yuna did 3lutz-3toe. Sotnikova did 3T-3T, the easiest 3-3combi. AND yuna did 3lutz-3toe with great quality also. and level 3 step??? plz explain the reason why yuna got level 3 and sotnikova got level4 in both program, and total gap is just 0.2x in SHORT program...just ridiculous!! Don't tell me that yuna was not fully motivated and looked unimpressive blah blah blah....Beside from the PCS, I want to know all the MATH things about 2 performances clearly( not one free progrma only). AND WHY sotnikova didn't get WRONG edge in her 3lutz-3toe ???her 3toe also looked prerotated too and she got 1.0 goe on 3flutz-3toe<??? This is so wrong
Exactly.
This whole corrupted show was fixed in from the very beginning.
Sotnikova for level 4 and Caro and Yuna for level 3. Absurd.
Maybe bc there wasn't enough turnaround time to start an uproar, and I think ppl were still hopeful going into the long that Russia wouldn't dare to be so blatant in inflating the scores
I agree, except I'd say the handwriting was on the wall when Yulia received huge scores in the team event. I thought that if she or Adelina skated (nearly) clean in the individual event, she (or Adelina) would be on top of the podium, or certainly, no lower than silver. At the very least, I figured a Russian girl would be on the podium unless she had a complete meltdown. I was just dismayed that people seemed fine with a very cute and very flexible, but very juniorish skater being Olympic champion. When Yulia fell in the short program, Adelina became the recipient of the inflated scores. Adelina is more polished than Yulia, but she is nowhere near the level of Yuna Kim, Mao Asada, Carolina, and others.
You know, when people were suggesting this may happen after the team skate, I thought they wouldn't dare to put a clean Yulia before a clean Yuna or Caro or Mao. They wouldn't do that to the veteran skaters who basically led the ladies skating for almost a decade. Or, if they didn't actually have conscience, they wouldn't dare to cross them like this and incur the wrath of Koreans/Japanese/Italians.
And they put a flawed Adelina skate before Yuna's.
I can't even. How ******* naive was I?- Joined
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Well, gee. You post a nice comment supporting a skater and you get your head ripped off. This is the opinion-bashing that causes half the problems in this mess.
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The corruption is caused by the big money involved. Yuna is worth at least a Billion.
Why people just talk about LP..?What about SP?..Yuna SP should score higher than 74..it should be 78 or even broke her world record..there's something about Send In The Clown that so special emotional magical..She nail all her jump, she tell story it's almost like a farewell for me..of course it's not Adelina fault but her SP shouldn't get even close to 74..70~72 maybe..As for LP hands down Mao is the best follow by Yuna..But how the heck Adelina score above Mao..?!To be honest after I saw all the score for SP I knew there's no way Yuna can win this..I think she herself knew it already that no matter how perfect she skate everything was already on paper..It's almost like a perfect setup..
Finally got around to re-watching from the prime time broadcast. My final impressions....Yuna and Carolina both have more aesthetically pleasing lines, better flow and deeper edges than Adelina, however I don't find Adelina to be at all awkward or particularly unpleasant to watch, just not as nice as the other two.
I didn't find the choreo of any of the three programs to be particularly enthralling or innovative. For me, Yuna & Carolina's programs were like a Whitney Houston song....what made them special was the performer, not what was being performed. If a lesser skater skated the same thing, it wouldn't be nearly as hyped.
I think both Yuna & Carolina did a lot more plain old crossovers between jumps and didn't really do many steps until after their jumps were complete. COP has always rewarded spazzing out as much as possible without falling down more than simple skating. Adelina spazzed out more which often equals more points, but less aesthetically pleasing movement.
I found Adelina's spins to be the best of the three, though only one to be particularly interesting. As far as intangible performance qualities go, I'd rate Carolina and Adelina about equal. Caro was just sublime and joyful, while Adelina had the spark only a skater having the best performance of their life in front of the home crowd could have. Yuna was beautiful, but just somehow lacking. Perhaps it was that she thought she had no chance to win after seeing Adelina's score.
Technically, I thought Yuna & Adelina came out about even in terms of execution with Adelina's extra triple and better spins giving her the edge.
I would have had them scored within tenths instead of points of each other, with Adelina getting the edge on TES and Yuna on PCS. I think either was a worthy victor, but I'd have gone with Adelina, but not been wuzrobbing if Yuna won.
Yuna is a great champion and asset to the sport and I hope she is thrilled with her accomplishments. Carolina finally put two programs together and earned the medal she worked so hard for and Adelina is a very talented teenager, who I hope will stick around and continue to improve. Great job ladies.
As for the judging, FS judging has always been highly dubious. I would love to see some positive changes come out of all the hub bub, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I didn't find the choreo of any of the three programs to be particularly enthralling or innovative. For me, Yuna & Carolina's programs were like a Whitney Houston song....what made them special was the performer, not what was being performed. If a lesser skater skated the same thing, it wouldn't be nearly as hyped.
I think both Yuna & Carolina did a lot more plain old crossovers between jumps and didn't really do many steps until after their jumps were complete. COP has always rewarded spazzing out as much as possible without falling down more than simple skating. Adelina spazzed out more which often equals more points, but less aesthetically pleasing movement.
I found Adelina's spins to be the best of the three, though only one to be particularly interesting. As far as intangible performance qualities go, I'd rate Carolina and Adelina about equal. Caro was just sublime and joyful, while Adelina had the spark only a skater having the best performance of their life in front of the home crowd could have. Yuna was beautiful, but just somehow lacking. Perhaps it was that she thought she had no chance to win after seeing Adelina's score.
Technically, I thought Yuna & Adelina came out about even in terms of execution with Adelina's extra triple and better spins giving her the edge.
I would have had them scored within tenths instead of points of each other, with Adelina getting the edge on TES and Yuna on PCS. I think either was a worthy victor, but I'd have gone with Adelina, but not been wuzrobbing if Yuna won.
Yuna is a great champion and asset to the sport and I hope she is thrilled with her accomplishments. Carolina finally put two programs together and earned the medal she worked so hard for and Adelina is a very talented teenager, who I hope will stick around and continue to improve. Great job ladies.
As for the judging, FS judging has always been highly dubious. I would love to see some positive changes come out of all the hub bub, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I think the Ladies all performed so well, I think the medallists should be so proud!!, there is the thing about adelina v Yu Na but I thought it was carolina's title, the way she used the bolero was breathtaking!!!
My opinion
Gold Carolina
Silver Yu Na
Bronze Mao
4th adelina (but highest in tes score)
I had
Carolinas overall score at 146
Yu Na at 145
Mao at 143
Adelina 135
Gracie 133
Ashley 130
Julia 128
Akiko 125
Kanako 120
Valentina 120
* the component scores need to be addressed at the next ISU meeting, that is where the problem lies!!!! I think there should be a jump score, spin score, step sequence score, etc rather than all being tied into one, yes more judges doing specific things but we need to get this system right!!!!
My opinion
Gold Carolina
Silver Yu Na
Bronze Mao
4th adelina (but highest in tes score)
I had
Carolinas overall score at 146
Yu Na at 145
Mao at 143
Adelina 135
Gracie 133
Ashley 130
Julia 128
Akiko 125
Kanako 120
Valentina 120
* the component scores need to be addressed at the next ISU meeting, that is where the problem lies!!!! I think there should be a jump score, spin score, step sequence score, etc rather than all being tied into one, yes more judges doing specific things but we need to get this system right!!!!
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You know more than the IJS itself, the more troubling problem is how the judges are not from diverse countries. I think for every skater who steps on the ice, they need to make sure there is a judge from European countries, the United States, Canada, China, Japan and Korea and other countries that compete. As long as you can have half the judges from Eastern Europe this will happen no matter what. There just has to be a rule that states you have to have different judges from different countries all the time.
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Adelina's spin was the only thing that was better than Yuna's. Her jumps have awkward landings and rough entrances. I don't understand the people who argue that Adelina landed more triples. She made a flutz and stumbled on a double loop.
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I watched Ladies Free Skate live and then watched last night again on NBC.
Completely agree with your comments: Yuna has her reputation as Queen Yuna, but this shouldn't guarantee her a free ride to win the OMG: her programs (both Short and Long) were NOT polished well, she apparently considered Sochi Olympics as an Assignment instead of her own desire to fight and win. I found her Free Skate is quite boring and lack of energy, her spins should be downgraded...
Completely agree with your comments: Yuna has her reputation as Queen Yuna, but this shouldn't guarantee her a free ride to win the OMG: her programs (both Short and Long) were NOT polished well, she apparently considered Sochi Olympics as an Assignment instead of her own desire to fight and win. I found her Free Skate is quite boring and lack of energy, her spins should be downgraded...
