2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

[sms2000]

Some people mentioned giving a platinum medal to Kim Yu-na.
Why not to give to Sluzkaya also? She deserved it even more. She was totally robbed, and Kim has one.

I can understand the eternal hate toward Russians, just look at their enormous resources and territory and their ability to spoil others' would-be achievements.
But I'd recommend to accept as a matter of fact: Russians have everything necessary to ignore that hate.

 

[Ven]

Can't I disagree with the results without agreeing that it was rigged?

You can believe whatever you'd like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I stated mine, which is fair too. And also I believe anyone who doesn't think cheating took place, probably doesn't want to see it.

 

[Ven]

I can understand the eternal hate toward Russians, just look at their enormous resources and territory and their ability to spoil others' would-be achievements.
But I'd recommend to accept as a matter of fact: Russians have everything necessary to ignore that hate.

Give me a break. This isn't about hating Russia. It's about hating the fact the results were rigged.

 

[pangtongfan]

Why would the judges "hold up" Sarah Hughes, who was not considered much of a medal threat, and certainly not a gold medal threat?

Since she was the reigning World bronze medalist on home ice. I also totally disagree she wasnt a medal favorite. She had been a clear 3rd in the world behind only Kwan and Slutskaya for the past 2 seasons. She was strongly favored to medal and an outside threat for gold. Yeah Sasha had beaten her at Nationals but nobody who knews the sport thought she was likely to do so again at the Games, and Butyrskaya was not skating well that season and not likely to medal either. I dont think anyone is disputing her the win in the LP, technique flaws aside. However few at the time agreed 4th in the short was ever right for her.

 

[bekalc]

Next Olympic is in Korea. No way they will allow her second win.

I don't know how they can allow anything. Especially since they aren't likely to even HAVE a skater at the top.

 

[sms2000]

Give me a break. This isn't about hating Russia. It's about hating the fact the results were rigged.

No problem. It's just happen the most of the rigged results are usually against Russians. Not for Russians.
Who was that said if Russia would win 4 OGMs there would be the end of F/S? Hamilton?

30 years ago the sequence of the F/S championships was the following: pairs, men, ladies, dances. Later it was changed setting ladies the last one. Weasel words are it was done to insure the Russian will never win the 'last' event just in case three golds already awarded. You know the ladies always were the Achilles heel of Russians.

But in 1999 the big problem was born. And it took tremendous efforts to prevent Russian clean sweeps in OGs.

OK, they know how to play well and agreed not to press to much. Except in pairs...

 

[Mishaminion]

Next Olympic is in Korea. No way they will allow her second win.

So if Adelina skates a PERFECT champion's performance in Korea but gets held down, in a "payback for Sochi"... that's equally corrupt.

Nice going supporting corruption when it suits you!

 

[Mista Ekko]

Irina has only herself to blame for losing the gold in SLC. After Michelle fell, the gold was hers to lose and she skated an imperfect and over-wrought program that was less difficult than what Sarah Hughes had done. It had nothing to do with the competition being in the US. And from the perspective of a Kwan fan, I wish Irina had been first in the short. Michelle always skated her best coming from behind.

How did we get back to this ?

Now let me ask you a question :
SP aside (Though Slutskaya obviously won it)
Slutskaya beat Michelle in the FS, Do you believe, If hughes wasn't a factor, That they'd still put her in front ? In the US ?

 

[Mista Ekko]

No problem. It's just happen the most of the rigged results are usually against Russians. Not for Russians.
Who was that said if Russia would win 4 OGMs there would be the end of F/S? Hamilton?

30 years ago the sequence of the F/S championships was the following: pairs, men, ladies, dances. Later it was changed setting ladies the last one. Weasel words are it was done to insure the Russian will never win the 'last' event just in case three golds already awarded. You know the ladies always were the Achilles heel of Russians.

But in 1999 the big problem was born. And it took tremendous efforts to prevent Russian clean sweeps in OGs.

OK, they know how to play well and agreed not to press to much. Except in pairs...

Yes, So all of the hundreds of Russian medals in major figure skating events and Olympic domination where a triumph against rigged results.

C'mon, I'm a sucker for Russians and even i can't go with that...

Slutskaya in 2002 is just one case

 

[Mishaminion]

Yes, So all of the hundreds of Russian medals in major figure skating events and Olympic domination where a triumph against rigged results.

C'mon, I'm a sucker for Russians and even i can't go with that...

Slutskaya in 2002 is just one case

My take on the whole thing is this:

There has always been plenty of corruption, bias and favoritism in figure skating. I don't see how that can ever be completely iradicated, evidently the "new" judging system is not actually much better than the old one.

Right now there's so much blame heaped on Russia, but really are they any worse than what has gone before them?

 

[Isabel_O'Reilly]

Julia still scored higher than Mao with two huge mistakes in her lp. She would've broken 150 if she skated clean.

Two mistakes that resulted in a loss of about 5 points, meanwhile Mao scored 8 points higher than her in the FS and only lost to Yulia because she gave up so many points in the SP. If Mao had completed a jump combination the result would have been vastly different. For that matter, Yulia's fall in the SP resulted in a loss of about 8 points, so if she hadn't fallen things would have been even more different.

 

[Isabel_O'Reilly]

Julia should not have finished higher than Mao and Ashley. That was ludicrous and it was an insult to Ashley and Mao's hard work.

Mao was too far behind after the SP. Personally though I would have had her PCS at 72 but the result still would have been unchanged. And for Ashley, even if you lower Yulia's PCS to 63 she still would have placed above her. Ashley's skating just doesn't measure up to Yulia's TES, even when she makes mistakes.

 

[mary01]

Mao wasn't given credit for two of her triples though and got an edge call. Yuna didn't get an underrotations. So that argument doesn't hold water.

But I do think Yuna would've definitely won if she had completed a clean triple loop in addition to the other jumps she did land. Probably would've been a new world record too. Too bad.

yes she was, there was no downgrade only two slight under rotation calls, that many commentators and skaters openly said was undeserved, since both jumps were fully rotated. besides it's just as easy to give an unjust under rotation call as it is to turn a blind eye to other skaters who actually deserved it!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

For me (excuse the sweeping statement) that was my favourite skate of any ladies' career. People say that program was empty but I found it more reserved than conservative and I feel she really painted her soul on the ice with that performance.

Yes this dress is much much nicer and I love the arm....thingies (forgive my lack of design knowledge) it was a great moment where the best of Mao came together.

Beautifully said.
I thought Mao started off more reserved and then grew more into the performance with every note. That was the perfect way to do it IMO, and it led the performance to build all the way up the passionate step sequence at the end. I wouldn't have wanted her to stuff more transitions in there just for the heck of it.

 

[EricRohmer]

But I do think Yuna would've definitely won if she had completed a clean triple loop in addition to the other jumps she did land. Probably would've been a new world record too. Too bad.

Yuna would have not won in whatever way at Sochi.
[Yuna SP(3Lz3T,3F,very difficult entry-2A):74.9 vs Adelina SP(3T3T,3F,2A):74.6] tells much.
I feel Yuna & Caro were lucky by having a not-clean Julia.

 

[akoko]

Next Olympic is in Korea. No way they will allow her second win.

If Koreans are so opposed to a home advantage, there is no reason why Adelina should not win as long as she delivers the best performance.

 

[DarR]

Can't I disagree with the results without agreeing that it was rigged? I'd've had Sotnikova 3rd, but those judges were swept away by the "Russ-i-a" cheers and overmarked her subconsciously. Bad judging isn't always a conspiracy.

A triple loop's 5.1 in the first half of the program. Yuna got no 0s in GOE. She could've netted the 5.5ish she needed right there with minimal GOE. Second half, she wouldn't even need a positive GOE.

Yup! And Yuna would've been the only lady allowed to have 8 jumping passes in the free!

Let's say Yuna swaps out her 3S-2T (6.50) for her 2A-3T (x) (9.94 given to Adelina), and replaces her solo 2A (x) (4.42) with a 3Lo (6.70). She would have garnered 5.72 more points (that's with Adelina's out-of-this-world GOEs btw). She'll get a score of 149.91, and still loses to Adelina (149.95) with a step-out. How incredulous is that.

Yuna might've won with that, but by the look of things, I'd still think Yuna would've lost by at least 1 point overall.

As CarneAsada pointed out, it looks like Yuna would've needed a 3A to win this.

 

[jenaj]

Since she was the reigning World bronze medalist on home ice. I also totally disagree she wasnt a medal favorite. She had been a clear 3rd in the world behind only Kwan and Slutskaya for the past 2 seasons. She was strongly favored to medal and an outside threat for gold. Yeah Sasha had beaten her at Nationals but nobody who knews the sport thought she was likely to do so again at the Games, and Butyrskaya was not skating well that season and not likely to medal either. I dont think anyone is disputing her the win in the LP, technique flaws aside. However few at the time agreed 4th in the short was ever right for her.

Being fourth in the SP behind Kwan, Slute and Sasha was a very long shot for a medal. If anything, in SLC, the judges were less likely to prop up the home team because of the pairs scandal.

 

[kslr0816]

So this is where all the people who still thought Adelina's score was fair went... you guys need to check how some of the scoring went.. I realize it's a thread for the free skate, but the SP needs to be considered as well if you're going to say anything about who should have won or not. The evidence is there. The overall tech difficulty for both programs was minor, and regardless that's not the problem - the problem is the PCS and the GOE

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49237-The-Judging-Conspiracy-thread

 

[jenaj]

How did we get back to this ?

Now let me ask you a question :
SP aside (Though Slutskaya obviously won it)
Slutskaya beat Michelle in the FS, Do you believe, If hughes wasn't a factor, That they'd still put her in front ? In the US ?

Absolutely. They did put her ahead of Michelle. Otherwise Michelle would have won the gold.