The Judging Controversy Thread

[jehan215]

So a judge from Russia is for sure biased but one from Italy is unbiased?

Who knows what's going on behind that table? Remember how the Ukrainian judges (Yes, the same one from 1998 Nagano, 2002 SLC, and 2014 Sochi) was trying to fix-scores by "toe-tapping" and trying to convince other judges (I think she was Canadian) on the phone? The bigger the federation, the bigger the power. You may think people are too twisted to be thinking that - but there's already been too many preceding cases to convince otherwise and make us believe in them.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. (Abraham Lincoln)

 

[ectomorph]

The naiveté on display here is staggering.

Please google "Putin election rigged".
They do this on a national presidential level as a matter of course.

A skating competition is child's play for them.

 

[moviechick]

If I remember correctly, that same Sandra Bezic called Yuna's LP "a performance for the ages. Spectacular!" The level of Bezic's enthusiasm about Adelina's LP was much lower.

It seems super obvious that the commentators were told to avoid the controversy by NBC. Johnny during the SP went on about how Adelina's scores were extremely generous and the next day he suddenly seems fine with it. If you look at their initial gut reactions vs. what they said later, there's a world of difference.

 

[kslr0816]

Sandra Bezic was there and said her jumps were 6 inches bigger than usual. That extra height for sure helped her earn that amazing GOE we saw that allowed her to crush Yuna.

i don't get it. you admit to home cooking, and yet every other post you make is about how adelina legitimately beat yuna. like i said, as your patience wears thin, your true bias comes out. adelina's PCS being as close to yuna's - with, yes, multiple judges placing her above yuna, and GOE above yuna does not make sense. period. neither side has any hard evidence on the matter, so it's interesting how certain you are about adelina's performance and scores, and yet your logical side reins you in and admits that there was biased judging

 

[kslr0816]

It seems super obvious that the commentators were told to avoid the controversy by NBC. Johnny during the SP went on about how Adelina's scores were extremely generous and the next day he suddenly seems fine with it. If you look at their initial gut reactions vs. what they said later, there's a world of difference.

this, i agree with. i wouldn't be surprised if they have some sort of clause that asks of them to avoid controversy, criticism of judging, etc.

 

[jehan215]

this, i agree with. i wouldn't be surprised if they have some sort of clause that asks of them to avoid controversy, criticism of judging, etc.

Plus ISU has already been warned by IOC after 2002 SLC - and guess who was involved? Russia - that if another scandal were to erupt, figure skating at the Olympics would be no more. I don't think any of them want their sport to face that sort of threat.

 

[starrynight]

It seems super obvious that the commentators were told to avoid the controversy by NBC. Johnny during the SP went on about how Adelina's scores were extremely generous and the next day he suddenly seems fine with it. If you look at their initial gut reactions vs. what they said later, there's a world of difference.

There you go, Miss. Perceptive!

 

[Ven]

Oh my. Here is what's crazy:


So, in the SP, Adelina had the lower BV, and the easiest jump combo, yet she received the highest GOE? How is this possible?

The cheats targeted Yuna's PCS with Adelina's. The first thing they wanted was to erase the PCS gap. Then they would use the tech panel and GOE to put Adelina ahead.
If Julia had gone clean, she would have received 35 and 75 too, plus GOE and the tech panel at her disposal.

 

[flyushka]

Oh my. Here is what's crazy:

So, in the SP, Adelina had the lower BV, and the easiest jump combo, yet she received the highest GOE? How is this possible?

Did you forget that spins exist??? Also, Adelina's combo in the SP, while easier than the other girls, was extremely impressive in height.

It seems super obvious that the commentators were told to avoid the controversy by NBC. Johnny during the SP went on about how Adelina's scores were extremely generous and the next day he suddenly seems fine with it. If you look at their initial gut reactions vs. what they said later, there's a world of difference.

Johnny did express surprise about the score (though he seemed impressed by the skate itself), but Tara seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the result as it was happening in real time.

 

[leafygreens]

Did you forget that spins exist???

The author is talking about extra bonus given for JUMPS. It is an indisputable fact that in the SP Adelina got the highest GOE for lowest jump BV. Her choppy form is not better than Yuna's and not worth the highest GOE.

 

[Ven]

Adelina is a better spinner. Yuna is a better jumper.

But Sotnikova had +1.81 GOE advantage over Kim on comparable jumping passes through the competition, not including the sequence where Sotnikova botched a double. I'm throwing that out because it was the one clear mistake either lady had in the competition, and the judges were forced to give Sotnikova negative GOE. On all the other jumping passes where the judges were free to inflate as much as possible, they gave Adelina, the worse jumper of the two, a +1.81 advantage.

 

[usethis2]

Johnny is such a disgrace and a loser. There were times he himself "played a victim" and made his views on federations and judges' power loud and clear. Not only has he joined them in cover-up job, it seems as if he is now truly deluded himself thinking Adelina really earned those scores. I have lost whatever respect I had for him after this.

 

[usethis2]

Yah I can understand Adelina getting better levels/GOEs for her spins. But jumps and steps? Choreo and interpretation? 9.75 vs 7.75?

Give me a break.

 

[Ven]

Yeah it's not like Yuna is a bad spinner, or Adelina is a bad jumper (that height). But obviously if you had to pick one or the other, Adelina would win on spins and Yuna on jumps. But the judges were just indiscriminately stuffing the Russians' score sheets with +2s and +3s.

 

[whatif]

So what is the conclusion? Are we awarding second gold medal?

 

[kslr0816]

So what is the conclusion? Are we awarding second gold medal?

lolol yea right. it's all moot. they've learned how to guard themselves from at least admitting mistake. there's no way and no proof that would hold up here

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Where are you guys finding video to watch these replays? I haven't had a chance to watch any of the videos. Every video I see is choppy, home phone, or disappears.

 

[usethis2]

Here is a glorious flutz + unidentifiable jump combo.

http://112.imagebam.com/download/0t...309674741/adelinasotnikova_sochi_FS_3Lz3T.gif

 

[usethis2]

And middle of this reporting, Yulia's 3F v. Yuna's 3F. Yulia's 3F received higher GOE. (There is also Yuna's beautiful textbook 3Lz in slo-mo.)

http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...y-rigged-gold-medal-win/358425/#disqus_thread

Mind boggles.

 

[volk]

Finally your bias showed through. In this whole statement really.

So different angle on the issue is bias?