The Judging Controversy Thread

[Sam-Skwantch]

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I'm kind of a conspiracy nut and become very skeptical of gifs. Anything official. That 3t looked impossible in terms of physics and maybe doctored. Not saying it is for sure but those gifs are easy to make. It doesn't even look like a toe jump..she appears to be in the air before her toe hits. Has that every happened before?? Especially to such a height ? If its not doctored it DEFINITELY is under rotated!


Seriously though. Any actual video. I'm very curious for the truth in all this. Accusations can always be justified. Especially in the face of a general acceptance. My goal is to move forward!!

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

i don't get it. you admit to home cooking, and yet every other post you make is about how adelina legitimately beat yuna. like i said, as your patience wears thin, your true bias comes out. adelina's PCS being as close to yuna's - with, yes, multiple judges placing her above yuna, and GOE above yuna does not make sense. period. neither side has any hard evidence on the matter, so it's interesting how certain you are about adelina's performance and scores, and yet your logical side reins you in and admits that there was biased judging

I have always said that one could make the argument for any of the top 3 winning. I would have had Adelina in first, but had Yuna or Carolina won I would not have agreed but I would see the logic (i.e. Yuna is a great jumper and artist, Carolina is less strong technically but artistically superior IMO). Whenever Patrick had a questionable win I never sat down and tried to find any excuse possible to discredit his win by saying Canada paid off the judges; Yuzuru also closed the PCS gap on Patrick quickly but no one is up in arms about that. Attacking ME does not somehow make the argument that the judges intentionally cheated stronger.

 

[jehan215]

I'm kind of a conspiracy nut and become very skeptical of gifs. Anything official. That 3t looked impossible in terms of physics and maybe doctored. Not saying it is for sure but those gifs are easy to make. It doesn't even look like a toe jump..she appears to be in the air before her toe hits. Has that every happened before?? Especially to such a height ?


Seriously though. Any actual video. I'm very curious for the truth in all this. Accusations can always be justified. Especially in the face of a general exceptance. My goal is to move forward!!

Just go download it in HD and watch it in slow-mo. If you can't believe anything anybody is supplying you with, just see it for yourself. Even without close - ups that the judges get, you can see in plain view that she deaprted from the lutz from an inside edge, not outside.

 

[usethis2]

Of course, that is your usual tactic, Sam-Skwantch. Throw in a bait and drag it as far as you can. You will sound different tune if there comes actual video. (e.g. that video's angle is not good enough!) And why would you believe such videos? They could be doctored, too, you know. I find it ridiculous that one could doctor a flutz like that, but I suppose anything is possible with enough time and effort. I just don't think that's the case here because I saw it with my eyes during the competition and thought it's a 100% flutz. (it helps to know that Adelina received "e" for her lutz in 16 out of 19 past competitions)

By the time the truth becomes undeniable, many people will have moved on. Which is exactly what you, the ISU, and the Russian Federation hope.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Adelina is a better spinner. Yuna is a better jumper.

Perhaps generally. Yuna had a weak jump (3Lz) that still managed to somehow garner a +3. Adelina has more difficult jump entrances, her entrance into the lutz and her first flip are a little more intricate than Yuna's. The judges mark what they saw in front of them, which is what they should do. Adelina usually has some sloppy, wide-free leg landings but only the 2nd 3F was shaky at all this time.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Yeah it's not like Yuna is a bad spinner, or Adelina is a bad jumper (that height). But obviously if you had to pick one or the other, Adelina would win on spins and Yuna on jumps. But the judges were just indiscriminately stuffing the Russians' score sheets with +2s and +3s.

Did you agree with how any of the nine judges scored Adelina? Or all they all crooks?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

By the time the truth becomes undeniable, many people will have moved on. Which is exactly what you, the ISU, and the Russian Federation hope.

I think even Yuna has moved on. There is no scandal and nothing is going to come out of a bunch of people complaining to each other on a figure skating message board that will affect the outcome.

 

[bekalc]

Yeah it's not like Yuna is a bad spinner, or Adelina is a bad jumper (that height). But obviously if you had to pick one or the other, Adelina would win on spins and Yuna on jumps. But the judges were just indiscriminately stuffing the Russians' score sheets with +2s and +3s.

I think Adelina greater jumper than Yu-na greater spinner. Many would argue Yu-na was the worst spinner in the final group. They wouldn't say the same about Adelina jumps.

In terms of the jumps Yu-na is an amazing toe jumper. But she does 2 3sals that aren't really her best jump. Add in the fact as the NY times mentioned the double axel toe two loop isn't going to get huge GOE.

 

[usethis2]

I think Adelina greater jumper than Yu-na greater spinner. Many would argue Yu-na was the worst spinner in the final group. They wouldn't say the same about Adelina jumps.

In terms of the jumps Yu-na is an amazing toe jumper. But she does 2 3sals that aren't really her best jump. Add in the fact as the NY times mentioned the double axel toe two loop isn't going to get huge GOE.

Watch Adelina's spins in SP. She can't find the center. Adelina's spin is good when she does it correctly. I would have given her spin lower scores for her SP performance due to its travel, not finding center in reasonable time, etc.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Of course, that is your usual tactic, Sam-Skwantch. Throw in a bait and drag it as far as you can. You will sound different tune if there comes actual video. (e.g. that video's angle is not good enough!) And why would you believe such videos? They could be doctored, too, you know. I find it ridiculous that one could doctor a flutz like that, but I suppose anything is possible with enough time and effort. I just don't think that's the case because I saw it with my eyes during the competition and thought it's a 100% flutz. (it helps to know that Adelina received "e" for her lutz in 16 out of 19 past competitions).

I agree here. I'm skeptical of the video though being a Yulia fan I'm all too able to spot a flutz all too well I swear she nailed her it at CoR in the SP.

By the time the truth becomes undeniable, many people will have moved on. Which is exactly what you, the ISU, and the Russian Federation hope.

I disagree with this. I'm for the truth no matter what it may be.

 

[gmyers]

And middle of this reporting, Yulia's 3F v. Yuna's 3F. Yulia's 3F received higher GOE. (There is also Yuna's beautiful textbook 3Lz in slo-mo.)

http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014...y-rigged-gold-medal-win/358425/#disqus_thread

Mind boggles.

LOL of course Julia got better GOE than Yuna! There's something called entries and exits from jumps! Julia has amazing entries and exits from like all of her jumps. It is not just about height and distance. That's a part of it. LOL because a Russian won so many people are becoming like the Yuna fans who would flood youtube with mao Uring triple axel! Congrats Yuna fans! your war against people who beat her merged with "all Russians cheat and are undeserving" stereotypes!

 

[usethis2]

I have no Russian stereotype. If anything I have a very romantic notion of Russian culture throughout history except for the recent one (post-Soviet).

I only question Russian figure skating federation and its integrity.

BTW, you are reported for calling me a bot, which I am not.

 

[volk]

Perhaps generally. Yuna had a weak jump (3Lz) that still managed to somehow garner a +3. Adelina has more difficult jump entrances, her entrance into the lutz and her first flip are a little more intricate than Yuna's. The judges mark what they saw in front of them, which is what they should do. Adelina usually has some sloppy, wide-free leg landings but only the 2nd 3F was shaky at all this time.

I also want to add that Adelina was faster that day and had better transitions.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

BTW, you are reported for calling me a bot, which I am not.

You report someone for calling you a bot when you say things like "Johnny is such a disgrace and a loser"? You can sure dish it out but like the other ubers you can't take it.

 

[vegarin]

LOL of course Julia got better GOE than Yuna! There's something called entries and exits from jumps! Julia has amazing entries and exits from like all of her jumps.

And? Yuna Kim's flip doesn't have amazing entries or exits?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

And? Yuna Kim's fliip doesn't have entries or exit?

Oh the step she does on the other side of the rink?

 

[gmyers]

i have no russian stereotype. If anything i have a very romantic notion of russian culture throughout history except for the recent one (post-soviet).

I only question russian figure skating federation and its integrity.

Btw, you are reported for calling me a bot, which i am not.

lol!

And? Yuna Kim's flip doesn't have amazing entries or exits?

No. Is this a debate?

 

[jehan215]

I also want to add that Adelina was faster that day and had better transitions.

Hmm, I agree that she was faster... but I disagree about better transitions. And the choreography. It was a bit choppy and junior-ish compared to Yuna, Mao, or Kostner's programs.

 

[vegarin]

Oh the step she does on the other side of the rink?

Wow. I actually don't think I have ever seen Yuna's jumps being criticized. Spin's one thing, but jumps now? Okay.

 

[starrynight]

Perhaps generally. Yuna had a weak jump (3Lz) that still managed to somehow garner a +3.

The point is the excessively home-cooked GOE and PCS, +3 consistently thrown by 4 pro-Russian or Russian judges.

Yuna's one +3 for 3Lz? Maybe one of the chefs needed an exotic ingredient to spice up her dish.