The Judging Controversy Thread

[Mista Ekko]

I'm still in shock that Sotnikova had more 3's for GOE than Kim, Kostner AND Asada had COMBINED.

And almost same for Lipnitskaya's 3's

 

[kslr0816]

I have not attacked the credibility of any pro-Yuna professional commentators, because I can see how someone could be surprised by the result. I acknowledge the experts know more than I do.

i'm not talking about commentators. i'm talking about experts putting in depth post analysis into both performances. namely, adelina's flutz, ur, blunt landings at some point.. but yea, 149.95 from the judges is all that matters. adelina uber at its finest.

 

[kslr0816]

And what is your job here? You should be on GS more than a month before you start dismissing people.

when did i dismiss you? i meant that you've made your points, and now you are done. did you have anything else you needed to say that you haven't already said?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

hmm wonder why that is the only real argument they fall back on instead of a close analysis of breakdown of scores, for both SP and FS

Honestly, while we have seen a close breakdown of every inch of Adelina's program, should we scrutinize Yuna's just as closely? Compare the complexity of her jump entrances and exits? Her landings and whether she was rotated on the 3-3, or the 3Lz? You only want to nit-pick Adelina's program and assume everything in Yuna's was delivered perfectly.

 

[evangeline]

Yes, but wouldn't that be unfair for those who actually jump the lutz correctly from an outside edge? As opposed to one that is ambiguous? I'm just saying it would be unfortunate for those who execute the lutz without any ambiguity. Use of wrong edges are habits that I think a competitive figure skater should definitely overcome.

To paraphrase old Blackstone, perhaps it is better that ten ambiguous edges escape the e penalty than that one correct edge suffer the e call.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

when did i dismiss you? i meant that you've made your points, and now you are done. did you have anything else you needed to say that you haven't already said?

I think I'll decide when I'm done. Thank you.

 

[kslr0816]

And what is your job here? You should be on GS more than a month before you start dismissing people.

on second thought, i will dismiss your posts. as a self proclaimed adelina uber, your thoughts have as much weight as some of the yuna ubers on this forum - virtually none.

 

[SkateToronto]

I find it strange that people would complain about the Economist and Chloe Katz lacking credibility, yet keep silent when other posters post articles from The Wire.com and Yu-Na fansites as unvarnished truth.

That's because people are more interested in sources that support their own opinions....and because they believe so dogmatically in the "correctness" of their own opinions, will write off any contrary opinion at all.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

i'm not talking about commentators. i'm talking about experts putting in depth post analysis into both performances. namely, adelina's flutz, ur, blunt landings at some point.. but yea, 149.95 from the judges is all that matters. adelina uber at its finest.

Please link to a single in-depth analysis of Yuna's program as detailed as what we have seen of Adelina's.

 

[kslr0816]

Please link to a single in-depth analysis of Yuna's program as detailed as what we have seen of Adelina's.

oops, poor choice of words on my part. nitpick away at her performance. what the spins weren't as fast? it was easy? few transitions? lol

 

[kslr0816]

That's because people are more interested in sources that support their own opinions....and because they believe so dogmatically in the "correctness" of their own opinions, will write off any contrary opinion at all.

as i said, ubers on both sides of the "aisle" have very little weight in this discussion

 

[jehan215]

as i said, ubers on both sides of the "aisle" have very little weight in this discussion

Yes, that's why we need to get rid of the veil of secrecy and get some transparency into the IJS. We don't know if their scores are genuine or not. At least with their names and faces out in the open, they won't be as inclined to do so. Agreed?

Edit: As I have mentioned before, for the PCS I reckon the judges need to at least write a brief statement of justification. Then at least we can sneak a peek of their logical reasoning.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

oops, poor choice of words on my part. nitpick away at her performance. what the spins weren't as fast? it was easy? few transitions? lol

Got caught in another blatant lie huh? I'm sorry for calling you out, no wonder you want me to shut up

 

[kslr0816]

Got caught in another blatant lie huh? I'm sorry for calling you out, no wonder you want me to shut up

LOL right. i believe you when you say you're an attorney lol.

 

[mskater93]

what did your peers think? scores appropriate, podium order appropriate, etc.?

I am a skater and have friends who not only skate but hold judging appointments in the US and they believe that the technical calls on Adelina's 3Lz, 3T, and 2Lo were off and that the GOEs and PCS were "off" as relative scores.

Also, Yuna's 3Lz in the LP was not UR, just scratchy.

 

[evangeline]

You know what's strange? I don't like Sotnikova's skating. I don't think I've ever said a single nice thing about her skating on this forum in the seven years I have posted here (at least, I haven't said anything nice for a long, long time).....but the more horrible names posters here call her, the more egregiously incorrect and baseless articles I see criticizing her Olympics skate, the more I find myself inadvertently defending the scores the judges give her. Because nobody deserves to be pilloried and slandered the way Sotnikova has been this past week.

But I still don't like her skating.

 

[kslr0816]

I am a skater and have friends who not only skate but hold judging appointments in the US and they believe that the technical calls on Adelina's 3Lz, 3T, and 2Lo were off and that the GOEs and PCS were "off" as relative scores.

Also, Yuna's 3Lz in the LP was not UR, just scratchy.

thanks for the info. to daisy's point, what of the articles and other experts out there who believe the tech was there, 7 triples vs 6, and in general all else equal the tech being high enough to overcome (though it didn't need to) any PCS and GOE differences?

 

[mskater93]

do you even have a logical response to the post made by a skater earlier in this thread watching the program?

No, DMD ripped me (also a skater) earlier in this thread for disagreeing with the result.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I am a skater and have friends who not only skate but hold judging appointments in the US and they believe that the technical calls on Adelina's 3Lz, 3T, and 2Lo were off and that the GOEs and PCS were "off" as relative scores.

To be fair, US judges would likely prefer Yuna's skating to Adelina's as Yuna's presentation is much more in the mold of Lynn/Kwan that is beloved by American audiences.

 

[kslr0816]

You know what's strange? I don't like Sotnikova's skating. I don't think I've ever said a single nice thing about her skating on this forum in the seven years I have posted here (at least, I haven't said anything nice for a long, long time).....but the more horrible names posters here call her, the more egregiously incorrect and baseless articles I see criticizing her Olympics skate, the more I find myself inadvertently defending the scores the judges give her. Because nobody deserves to be pilloried and slandered the way Sotnikova has this past week.

But I still don't like her skating.

it really is undeserved, as if she did the judging herself. she'll be fine though. she's got a competitors spirit, and she's a fiery one.