2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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Very similar to my score
Same order and similar score!
Also probably similar to how the scores would have panned out if the Olympics were in say Belgium or Australia. What is funniest of all is even the very few who defend Sotnikova's farce win concede she would have been atleast 10 points from winning if the Olympics were outside Russia, yet then add "but she still deserved it", LOL!
Can't get what it has to do with the posting. Sorry.
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I&K had only barely cleared 100 two times their whole careers before the Games, yet clear 110 at the Games in mother Russia. Even with a free dance that while wonderful had literally as little content (outside their great lifts) as some of the early teams. Purely coincidence though.
I wish there was a stronger voice for Pechalat & Bourzat and all the others robbed at these Games by Russian corruption. Savchenko & Szolkowy were robbed of a fighting chance of the gold even if V&T made mistakes, which probably broke their spirit and resulted in their poor LP with 2 falls.
Normal people do not doubt his problems with the spine. People did not like his interview. He's a great athlete, but his wife made him bad publicity.
You also can not say that all Russian cheat and paying bribes. That's just stupid.
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pangtongfan said:
Never. Remember the millions of threads about that or this jump being underrotated? With Yunas clean performances, no matter how Mao skated, if she had beaten Yuna she'd be eaten alive now. And if the last resort for protest would be the change to allow a 3A instead of a 2A in the SP, you'd hear "she only won because the JSF bought that SP rule for her! blabla". It wouldn't be the outcry that there is now, and we probably wouldn't have a petition, but you can bet you behind there would still be enough hate around the internet.
pangtongfan said:
Did you just pick those numbers according to your gut feeling or did you really score it with all the GOE and PCS? I can't really imagine Mao could receive a 60 for that SP, she botchered every single jumping pass...
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I thought her spins deserved a couple points more, and her PCS about a point more, and I wouldnt have called her for an < on the triple axel (I admit I give more leighway than the caller as that is such a hard jump for the women and I hate to see it being discouraged so easily), so that would come to about a 60.
As for Mao's win not being controversial had she done a clean short, I am talking about the real world, not the internet. Sotnikova's win is a huge rage with experts, past skaters, writers, commentators, I am not even referring to internet folks like ourselves who are irrelevant. Asada's with a clean short would not have been . Even Kostner winning would not have been IMO.
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I'd agree with this. There certainly wasn't enough complaining about the ridiculously high marks V&T got for that free skate. 152! It was a sign of things to come. S&S had zero chance at beating that score even with a perfect program. And I still think that Pas de Deux is much better than Jesus Christ Superstar regardless of the fact it isn't S&S's best.
I think V&T's short is beautiful, but ugh at Jesus Christ Superstar with that huge break in the middle. All those 10s. For that? Ugh. 4 10s for Choreography. Give me a break. (I'd've been much less annoyed at this result if they had just used a better program for their past.)
I will now let you get back to complaining about the voting for the ladies.
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pangtongfan said:
I can't really remember the quality of the spins that well, and there aren't any videos up to rewatch it (at least none that aren't geoblocked here), but I couldn't agree with her PCS being higher. She was visibly shaken after the fall - I think I read somewhere Mao said she heard people laugh after her fall and she just wanted go run away in that moment... and it showed.
For the second part, agreed. But I was talking about the internet, not the real world, in my original comment.
I never said that about "all Russians". I just said that it's not uncommon.
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I can't see Mao on the podium based upon her short. She was definitely gypped on her FS as much as Adelina was unfairly awarded on both her SP (PCS) and her FS (Tech panel missing her double botched first element, being under-penalized for her step-out on the 3-2-2, all of the crazy GOE marks AND her inflated PCS). Still, if Mao had not gotten rattled after the fall on the 3A (not really a huge deal in itself) and just completed all of her other elements in her SP, she should have easily made the podium based upon her amazing Free Skate. Still. the order of the day seemed to be to get a Russian the GM, so it was gonna happen, regardless of how well anybody else skated.
You said
How is this related to figure skating? If you do not agree with the results you have to argue your opinion. But you talk about pupils, students and police....
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I think she's talking about the culture of cheating that she is says is prevalent in the society. Not everyone in Russia cheats, but it seems that their Technical callers might be part of the group that do, lol.
What bugs people is that in some interviews he has a different version. (Please don't ask me for specific examples - just couldn't bother, try reading all his pre-Olympics, Olympics and post-Olympics interviews including the one he gave to CNN with a word-for-word translation into Russian). I agree he used to be a legend but his final curtain ruined everything.
Sorry for posting here, there's a thread for men's skating.
though personally, I'm not interested in talking about Plushenko any more.
Oh, wow. That's terrible even by the (admittedly not very high) standards set by the audience throughout this whole event. What a bunch of idiots, pardon my French.
A few months ago, there were threads here proclaiming Mao is single-handedly destroying figure skating with her triple flutz, or something to that effect. A flutz wasn't even a jump back then, but an offense against the Skating Gods that should be worth 0 points and public shaming in the town square. In that light, it was interesting seeing some people doing a 180 and being in her corner after the FS, like they could actually root for her now that she wasn't a real threat to the podium/their favourites.
The sign of things to come was Julia and Adelina @ Euros and the Le'Equipe report of Russian and American collusion. The writing was on the wall before the Olympics even started, then got bigger with the Russian overscores in the team event (Le'Equipe said they were guaranteed to win). Then came pairs, where the overscoring meant V/T could have made significant errors and still won, giving S/S no fair chance (again confirmed the Le'Equipe report). Then in Ice Dance, D/W were so overscored relative to V/M, that D/W could have made mistakes and still won giving V/M no chance of winning (again this confirmed the Le'Equipe report). And finally in addition, the Russian girls and Gracie Gold were overscored significantly compared to all other ladies in the woman's event.
The suspicion of Russian and American collusion is very, very strong.
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If you're gonna flutz, just make your element a flip and you won't get dinged for it. A lower base score? Yeah, but at least it's honest. If you can't do the element correctly, at least call it what it is. A "flutz" is only a flip that you tell everybody is a lutz. A lutz is worth more because it is the second hardest triple to do (well for most people anyway, probably the hardest for Mao, lol).
