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BTW. the rules don't say sot's steps can be level four, just the person making the call on the tech panel, you, Nadya and DMD. Not many others are making that assertion, lol.
Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS
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BTW. the rules don't say sot's steps can be level four, just the person making the call on the tech panel, you, Nadya and DMD. Not many others are making that assertion, lol.
Here are your choices:
a. You can find, copy and paste any comment where I've ever opined about Sotnikova's footwork, be it level 4, 18, or 1.89.
b. You can admit that you brought my name into this for no good reason.
c. You can enjoy me calling you a liar on every occasion that suits me.
Your opinion and interpretation of the rules is flat out wrong. Level four is completely justified by the rules and It was called level 4. Your blind hatred and bias has made you read the rules wrong. You are biased fan with no credibility on this step level issue at all because your bias and hate makes you read the rules wrong. I am tired of your biased fandom nonsense of bashing sotnikova because you wanted Yuna to win. Enough of your disgraceful lies and misinterpretations and calling people insane. You know nothing and are posting nonsense. Prove your allegations of Lakernik baranova and gusmeroli. Prove them!
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you know instead of attacking his credibility maybe you should post your own arguments.. through the scoring, the interpretation of the rules...
I have done so and I'm not doing it again.
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You've done nothing except repeat your same wrong statement a hundred times. EVERY technical specialist and high-level coach and choreographer disagrees with you. The only "interpretation" of the rule that's wrong is yours. A level 4 step sequence must have 5 different types of turns all in both directions and 3 different types of steps all in both directions. This is a fact and there is 0 point in you arguing otherwise. Furthermore, your "interpretation" of the rule would only explain the mistake that was made in calling Sotnikova's step sequence. It would not explain the mistake that was made in calling Yu-Na's step sequence. Exactly what are you hoping to accomplish?
At least two at the olympics agree that sotnikova was level 4 and Yuna level 3 probably for total lack of upper body commitment. So you need to start doing showing some proof that 2 of the 3 or all 3 technical callers were corrupt or ignorant. The rules are there and you are trying to distort them all to support your poor Yuna was robbed agenda. So you need some proof and stop misinterpretating and posting nonense.
Well it's just a modification of a script I already had, so it's not that much work. The Yuna gif was just an example. Making it small was just to save space, and hopefully many of the steps can already be identified. But I can always just change the parameters of the script to do just a portion of the sequence, and at a larger size (which, of course, is only relevant if I can get my hands on a video of a larger size), for if there are moves that are more difficult to identify or that people disagree on.
For example, a small version of Adelina's FS step sequence is here:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/13303154725_9d8e34a72f_o.gif
I can just change some numbers in the script and focus on the steps that BoP and you disagreed on. For example, at the beginning of the step sequence, both of you agreed on two 3-turns, then disagreed on the next move, then agreed that the following move was a twizzle. A gif of the moves in question is here:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/13303530525_9fb8300929_o.gif
I'm still reading up on the moves so don't take me as an expert, but if I understand it right (for other people that may want to look at it), it shows a 3-turn in the CCW direction (on right foot, transitioning from skating forward to skating backward), then another 3-turn in the CCW direction (on right foot, transitioning from skating backward to skating forward), then the disagreed move or moves, then a twizzle in the CW direction. The animated gif is showing 30 frames per second of the recorded video, but played at 1/5 of the actual speed (so it's actually showing 6 new images per second). I can adjust the played speed to any amount that people want, if people want to see it slower or faster.
The hope is that anyone who is familiar with the step sequence moves can use the animated gifs to give their own sequence of the actual performed moves by each skater, without having to mess around with a video themselves (I think having a video player and being able to frame-by-frame forward and backward is still better though). Later on when I add text I can also include the name of the moves as people identify them directly on the animated gifs to make it easier to see if the moves are identified correctly.
By the way, Yuna's step sequence for the short program, best as I can tell, is here:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7067/13304469384_65207ef710_o.gif
The animated gif is of about 1:40 to about 2:25 of the short program, played at 1/5 of the actual speed. The reason why I say "best as I can tell" is because I'm not sure where the step sequence would count as starting (or stopping for that matter), so I'm just including the whole section for now. For example, she does what seems like a short spiral at around 1:51 (although she doesn't hold it for 3 seconds) and I don't know if that affects the determination of when the step sequence starts (i.e. versus a choreo sequence, but the scores don't have a choreo sequence). Feel free to let me know if I should change the start/stopping point. Although I doubt the stopping point should change (she goes right into a spin after that). If anyone wants to see a particular section of it in more detail (i.e. slower/bigger), just let me know. The reason for looking at it, of course, is that it was called a level 3 by the technical panel; in fact the only step sequences called a level 4 in the short program were Adelina's and Akiko Suzuki's. Everyone else received level 3 or level 2.
If anyone has a good video of Adelina's short program, please let me know. Or any other skater at the Olympics for that matter, to compare how the judges called the step sequence versus what the skater did; I'm not very good at knowing how to look for these things.
Sure, no problem. I assume Flickr doesn't have a problem with it, first time using it.
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But it would be more interesting if you would say why you think Adelina's step sequence deserves a level 4. The only argument I have read on this thread is, "because the tech panel thought so." (Excepting gkelly's thoughtful posts on the topic.)
That, however, is the very question we are trying to resolve. Were the tech panel and the judges right or wrong?
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Is relying on the tech panel or gkelly's analysis any less credible than relying on BoP's analysis?
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Sorry Nadya if my memory failed me in identifying you incorrectly. I have health issues that plague my short term memory. If you feel like making fun of me, feel free (as you seem to enjoy others misery-though I may be failing to remember that correctly, if that is the case, then I apologize for that too).
THAT you do remember correctly.
I am sorry to hear about your memory troubles and I hope you get better soon.
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No, but every Yuna-bot like yourself has committed to the theory that Gusmeroli judged the SS a level 3 and was overruled, and was also overruled on Adelina's 3-3.
Did you just accuse BoP of all people to be a Yuna fan? It looks like you're getting a bit desperate, there.
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Desperate? How so? When I say the tech panel judged Adelina's 3-3 and SlSt L4, you ubers automatically assume Gusmeroli was overruled and end the argument there. When I point out more than two judges scored Adelina high, it is ignored and ubers focus on who Adelina hugged and some other crooked judge. There is a refusal to acknowledge that all the judges showered Adelina with a ton of +2 and +3, which means her elements were done very well. There is also a refusal to acknowledge that every judge gave Adelina monster PCS scores. So while I try to make my points based on the protocol sheets, it is simply ignored because there is an assumption that somehow two judges are responsible for some widespread manipulation, when that cannot be concluded by any means by looking at the data. I'd say that is the desperate argument.
http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...-people-deserve-to-know-if-a-mistake-was-made
According to Tim Gerber’s analysis – reviewed by two other ISU-certified technical specialists – the level calls for the step sequence of Adelina Sotnikova and Yuna Kim (in the free program) were both wrong (the Russian received a Level 4 and the South Korean, a Level 3, when, in fact, it should have been completely opposite); and wrong was also the judgement of Sotnikova’s Triple Lutz + Triple Toeloop combination: “Sotnikova clearly has a wrong edge flutz takeoff on her Lutz. She has had this technique problem her entire career. How can it be that the tech panel suddenly missed it? Her edge clearly changes over as she takes off for the jump. Furthermore, the Triple Toeloop in combination with the Lutz was obviously underrotated”.
According to Tim Gerber’s analysis – reviewed by two other ISU-certified technical specialists – the level calls for the step sequence of Adelina Sotnikova and Yuna Kim (in the free program) were both wrong (the Russian received a Level 4 and the South Korean, a Level 3, when, in fact, it should have been completely opposite); and wrong was also the judgement of Sotnikova’s Triple Lutz + Triple Toeloop combination: “Sotnikova clearly has a wrong edge flutz takeoff on her Lutz. She has had this technique problem her entire career. How can it be that the tech panel suddenly missed it? Her edge clearly changes over as she takes off for the jump. Furthermore, the Triple Toeloop in combination with the Lutz was obviously underrotated”.
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"If members of this technical panel and judging panel were not bribed/threatened to create the result they did, then the only explanation can be that they are incompetent at their jobs."
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