The Judging Controversy Thread

[yunaddiction]

Finally you feel the same what Mao fans felt for many years when Mao got edge called for her flutz but Yuna practically never got edge called for her lip. Yuna used favoritism from judges, now someone else used her method. Why are you having problem with that. Hypocrite? Karma works. It's fair.

You don't understand how Yuna fans have felt for many years when she got unfair edge calls for her worderful & technically perfect Flip.
A good Flip like Yuna's has 'slight' in-edge, not like Lutz that has 'obvous' out-edge.
You need to be able to evaluate the trace of the blade on the ace first to talk about Flip edge issue.
Yuna's taces always say her Flip has no problem.

By the way, Mao's Lutz has apprently wrong in-edge. Inexcusable.
It's a totally different issue.

 

[yuki90]

You don't understand how Yuna fans have felt for many years when she got unfair edge calls for her worderful & technically perfect flip.
A good Flip like Yuna's has 'slight' in-edge, not like Lutz that has 'obvous' out-edge.
You need to be able to evaluate the trace of the blade on the ace first to talk about Flip edge issue.
Yuna's taces always say her Flip has no problem.

By the way, Mao's Lutz has apprently wrong in-edge. Inexcusable.
It's a totally different issue.

Agreed, Midori Ito said YuNa's flip is perfectly inside edge.

 

[parma]

Korean Olympic Committee and Korean Skating Federation just made a formal complaint to ISU about the composition of the judges at the Olympics.

 

[AnastasiaO]

I rewatched the ladies sp and I think that Yulia's 3flip in her sp was underrotaded. Is that right ?

 

[AnastasiaO]

Do you have a link to an article or is that just a rumour ?

 

[Mathman]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but some things are just common sense. Here are one judge's marks for Adelina's long program.

+3
+3
+3
+3
+3
-1
+3
+3
+3
+3
+2
+3
9.50
9.50
9.75
9.75
9.75

That is an insult to the concept of "judging." If I were that judge, I would, immediately after the contest, rush over to the skater, give her a big hug, and shout, "We did it! We did it!"

 

[Meoima]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but some things are just common sense. Here are one judge's marks for Adelina's long program.

+3
+3
+3
+3
+3
-1
+3
+3
+3
+3
+2
+3
9.50
9.50
9.75
9.75
9.75

That is an insult to the concept of "judging." If I were that judge, I would, immediately after the contest, rush over to the skater, give her a big hug, and shout, "We did it! We did it!"

Sorry casue I never pay much attention to the COP new system, but if I remember correcly, then the highest and lowest score was eliminate?

 

[Mathman]

That's not the point I was making. This judge trashed the system and mocked the (evidently naive) notion of fair play.

 

[caelum]

Sorry casue I never pay much attention to the COP new system, but if I remember correcly, then the highest and lowest score was eliminate?

Yes, though that doesn't mean that your score plays no role. But, the more important point here is at the Olympics, the premiere event in figure skating, we have a judge that is either a complete moron who does not understanding the GOE guidelines or is completely corrupt. Neither scenario should give you much faith in the competency / integrity of the remaining panel.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

That is an insult to the concept of "judging." If I were that judge, I would, immediately after the contest, rush over to the skater, give her a big hug, and shout, "We did it! We did it!"

The same could be said about the judge who was the only one to give Yuna +3 for her 3F, FCCoSp4, and 2A+2T+2Lo. In addition to giving her 9.5 for TR and 10 for CH, which is egregious given the amount of times in the program when choreography stops to set up a jump.

 

[FSGMT]

That is an insult to the concept of "judging." If I were that judge, I would, immediately after the contest, rush over to the skater, give her a big hug, and shout, "We did it! We did it!"

 

[CarneAsada]

That's not the point I was making. This judge trashed the system and mocked the (evidently naive) notion of fair play.

Hey, at least he/she didn't give all 10s in PCS! And besides the -1 for the two-footed step out there was one element that got only a +2!

 

[capcomeback]

Yes, though that doesn't mean that your score plays no role. But, the more important point here is at the Olympics, the premiere event in figure skating, we have a judge that is either a complete moron who does not understanding the GOE guidelines or is completely corrupt. Neither scenario should give you much faith in the competency / integrity of the remaining panel.

Brilliantly said.

Here is another dubious judge's scores (which did count if the other judges scores were tossed).

2
3
3
3
3
-1
2
3
2
3
3
3

9.50
9.25
9.50
9.75
9.75

Almost as bad (with the understanding that judge only had 6 scores out of 17 scores-between TES and PCS different than the other judge (and those differences are negligible). Again, it's either gross incompetence or cheating.

 

[Hamil]

New turning point. This controversy will not end soon.

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-487676/

Will it trigger the end of figure skate? This might deserve a new thread of discussion.

 

[ILuvYuna]

Sorry casue I never pay much attention to the COP new system, but if I remember correcly, then the highest and lowest score was eliminate?

You know what it reminds me of? Grading on a curve (when the teacher takes the top grade in the class - say 92 - and raises it to a 100, for a difference of +8, which is then applied to the rest of the grades.)

This is just a hunch, but putting up as high a score as you possibly can could be part of a strategy :think: If you make sure that your score is the one that gets tossed out, it guarantees that the same score from another judge will count (maybe someone good at match can confirm this... Mathman? )

 

[jenaj]

You're welcome to your own opinion. I rather enjoy correcting people who make mistakes.

You are conflating two entirely separate points:

1. Cheating judges should be banned.
2. A panel headed by judge X.

Point #1 is a defensible point of view. Point #2 is an obvious falsehood. I don't understand why it pains you to admit that. If you don't care about that, the obvious choice is to skip the post, since you have zero power over what I choose to post or not post.

The poster you insulted never even said the judging panel was headed by anyone. It was someone else. And who cares, since the point is about cheating, not leadership.

 

[ILuvYuna]

Cap - you posted your comment while I was composing mine, but it pretty much confirms what I was thinking: it could be a strategy (see, game theory)

Brilliantly said.

Here is another dubious judge's scores (which did count if the other judges scores were tossed).

2
3
3
3
3
-1
2
3
2
3
3
3

9.50
9.25
9.50
9.75
9.75

Almost as bad (with the understanding that judge only had 6 scores out of 17 scores-between TES and PCS different than the other judge (and those differences are negligible). Again, it's either gross incompetence or cheating.

 

[capcomeback]

The same could be said about the judge who was the only one to give Yuna +3 for her 3F, FCCoSp4, and 2A+2T+2Lo. In addition to giving her 9.5 for TR and 10 for CH, which is egregious given the amount of times in the program when choreography stops to set up a jump.

Here's the difference in your commentary. You are picking at four or five individual scores. We're picking at more than thirty (just between two judges, wait until we start looking more in depth at the others).

 

[capcomeback]

Cap - you posted your comment while I was composing mine, but it pretty much confirms what I was thinking: it's a strategy (see, game theory)

I♥Yuna-

There are at least two more judges whose scores are out of whack. Feel free to pick another, lol.

Yeah, "Game theory" makes sense here...

 

[ILuvYuna]

I♥Yuna-

There are at least two more judges whose scores are out of whack. Feel free to pick another, lol.

Yeah, "Game theory" makes sense here...

I would single out columns 2, 5, 6, and 7 as part of the strategy... (and mind you, I'm not totally convinced that it was cheating. It could just as well be a combination of psychology and home-field advantage)...