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Was it wise for Sotnikova to skip Worlds?

jenm

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Still, I wish she hadn't brought Yuna in. She could have explained with what she had achieved to win gold medal, not telling what Yuna should have done. You never know what other skater had in mind, and expressions like 'miscalculation' are disrespectful IMO, whether she's just a young girl or not.

I agree. In my opinion, she should have at least just talked about the things she did instead of saying what the other skater did. That way it would be more respectful.
 

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She didn't bring Kim in. When asked specifically why she should be a winner and not Kim, she explained that Kim's program (not her person) had less technical content because jumps happened early in the program, did not include a triple/triple, etc. It's pure math. It wasn't a character assassination.

She did bring Yuna in. The question was about how her victory affected her. It's all about her and not the other skater. Why drag someone's name and "analyze" her program and suggest what she could have done to win? That's disrespectful. That's not pure math. If it's math then why not talk about the short program too where Yuna had a harder 3lz-3T compared to her 3T-3T? As far as I know the SP is part of the overall score.
 

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She did bring Yuna in. The question was about how her victory affected her. It's all about her and not the other skater. Why drag someone's name and "analyze" her program and suggest what she could have done to win? That's disrespectful. That's not pure math. If it's math then why not talk about the short program too where Yuna had a harder 3lz-3T compared to her 3T-3T? As far as I know the SP is part of the overall score.
It's not about her victory affecting her, it's about the controversy and the criticism affecting her. Read the article. It's pretty clear that the controversy and the criticism was in the context of Sotnikova vs. Kim. So to me, it's perfectly natural to say in response to the question, "no, the criticism did not affect me because I am certain I skated better based on a, b and c."
 
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I watch plenty of figure skating thank you very much. Even some of Adelina's own supporters have said that they wished she had not have jumped up and down on the podium. I think people need to act the like they have class in the face of both victory or defeat. I recall the 1994 Worlds where Surya Bonaly believed that she should have won, but received silver behind Yuka Sato. Surya was refusing to come out to the medal ceremony, was refusing to get on the second place podium, and removed her silver medal. She was demonstrating her emotions. You can find it on youtube in case you have not seen it. Is what Surya did ok or is it only happiness that can be demonstrated overly, but not anger and disappointment?

I did not say that what Adelina did was the crime of the century. I just think that the podium jumping was a bad idea, particularly when you consider that she was a controversial winner.

Well, if you're going to pick and choose parts of that article to criticize Adelina - Then I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt in this area... She did say that initially she didn't go online and didn't realize that a controversy existed. So she may have not realized when she was on the podium that a group of individuals believed she didn't belong where she was.
...Not that her being excited matters to me - personally, I'd be more shocked if she weren't excited. Honestly, I don't get the harsh judgement of her excitement to receive a gold or to want to receive gold in the future. It's not like she took her medal and rubbed it in Yuna's face or antagonized her with it.
And to me, that article asked leading questions....she's 17. A lot of 17 year old's wouldn't know how to answer those types of questions diplomatically - not to mention the culture and personality difference among individuals that play into how they answer questions...
 

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It's not about her victory affecting her, it's about the controversy and the criticism affecting her. Read the article. It's pretty clear that the controversy and the criticism was in the context of Sotnikova vs. Kim. So to me, it's perfectly natural to say in response to the question, "no, the criticism did not affect me because I am certain I skated better based on a, b and c."

It is your interpretation of the question. The interviewer did not tie Yuna in to the question, and if she is mature, classy, or even media savvy enough, she would not have directly mentioned a "weaker?!?" program by Kim. Wrong calls by judges and overblown PCS (which I rightfully do not blame her for) aside,

A. I know Carolina and she's got a big soul just like I do.

This amuses me. :rofl:

Anyway, thanks for your translation.
 
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It's not about her victory affecting her, it's about the controversy and the criticism affecting her. Read the article. It's pretty clear that the controversy and the criticism was in the context of Sotnikova vs. Kim. So to me, it's perfectly natural to say in response to the question, "no, the criticism did not affect me because I am certain I skated better based on a, b and c."

No I think the interviewer means that how you feel towards the whole criticism thing, he/she didn't even mention Yuna or controversy anyway. And then his/her response to the answer was reassuring her victory like yeah I know you won but 'I'm just curious' and says the same question over again, because she hadn't answered, and the real answer comes in the second part, in which she seems to believe every international community supports her except Korea.
 

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It's not about her victory affecting her, it's about the controversy and the criticism affecting her. Read the article. It's pretty clear that the controversy and the criticism was in the context of Sotnikova vs. Kim. So to me, it's perfectly natural to say in response to the question,

Her victory came with controversy and criticisms so it's more or less the same thing. And I'm gonna say again that how she answered that question was disrespectful to Yuna. Saying Yuna had a weaker program? Bad move.

"no, the criticism did not affect me because I am certain I skated better based on a, b and c."

That's NOT what she said tho. She said "I won because skater x did not do this and that. She should have done this and that." That's what she said.
 

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I dont know if this interview and its translation is true, but the I dont wonder her answers, the interviewer was very disrpectful, saying he is agree her victory was beyond dobouts, and that not only koreans, etc. Wth:disapp:

Yes, the translation is pretty much on point (also Russian here).

Also her "reason" for winning was really stupid. She based it entirely on the fact that Yuna's program was "weaker". Wrong. Yuna had previously won a World Championship 2013 20 points ahead of everyone else with the same array of jumps.
 

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Her victory came with controversy and criticisms so it's more or less the same thing. And I'm gonna say again that how she answered that question was disrespectful to Yuna. Saying Yuna had a weaker program? Bad move.



That's NOT what she said tho. She said "I won because skater x did not do this and that. She should have done this and that." That's what she said.

Yeah, that's my point, I haven't heard of a gold medalist ticking off others' mistakes to prove his/her win.
 

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Yes, the translation is pretty much on point (also Russian here).

Also her "reason" for winning was really stupid. She based it entirely on the fact that Yuna's program was "weaker". Wrong. Yuna had previously won a World Championship 2013 20 points ahead of everyone else with the same array of jumps.
How is that relevant? The fact that she won one competition with a certain arsenal of jumps doesn't mean it can never be bested, or that more technically complex programs can not exist. A WC win is hardly a lifetime anointment.
 

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It is your interpretation of the question. The interviewer did not tie Yuna in to the question, and if she is mature, classy, or even media savvy enough, she would not have directly mentioned a "weaker?!?" program by Kim. Wrong calls by judges and overblown PCS (which I rightfully do not blame her for) aside,



This amuses me. :rofl:

Anyway, thanks for your translation.
Seeing as I read it from the horse's mouth, I think I'm better positioned to "interpret" the question.

Anyway, you're welcome.
 

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How is that relevant? The fact that she won one competition with a certain arsenal of jumps doesn't mean it can never be bested, or that more technically complex programs can not exist. A WC win is hardly a lifetime anointment.

ITA. Yuna was better in 2013 WC too. Is that even debatable? I certainly wouldn't claim Yuna was mistake free with her packaging and performance in Sochi. That is more ridiculous than anything Adelina said.
 

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How is that relevant? The fact that she won one competition with a certain arsenal of jumps doesn't mean it can never be bested, or that more technically complex programs can not exist. A WC win is hardly a lifetime anointment.

Well, since it was Sotni's only "reason" for beating Yuna, it was a pretty damn weak reason. (But of course, what could the poor girl say? It is "because Yuna was severely underscored getting flat out 0 GOE's for some elements, while I got PCS which I had never seen anything close to my entire life"? "Because I was already blatantly overscored in the SP, despite having a fundamentally weaker program than Kim and only finishing 0.11 points behind?" :rolleye:)

Anyway, Yuna wasn't 100% perfect (okay there was the slight coarse landing on that one lutz in LP), but otherwise she was flawless. How is what I said ridiculous? It is called an "analogy" - I gave an analogy to Adelina's fundamentally flawed "argument", which is on par with the argument that "she had more triples". I was just trying to show a fundamental logic flaw.

Sure, you can try to convince me the OGM is somehow warranted but I will never believe it for a second.
 

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ITA. Yuna was better in 2013 WC too. Is that even debatable? I certainly wouldn't claim Yuna was mistake free with her packaging and performance in Sochi. That is more ridiculous than anything Adelina said.

It can be debatable if the reason they're emphasizing is the number of jumps which they are so currently doing. Tho I agree, Yuna was better in WC 2013.
 

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Well, since it was Sotni's only "reason" for beating Yuna, it was a pretty damn weak reason.
I don't understand your logic. So Kim won the 2013 Worlds with the same lineup of jumps. What does that mean, other than she was better than others at this snapshot of time? It doesn't mean no one can ever skate better than Kim did at 2013 Worlds, or that the program that was good enough to win over others at one point will be good enough for eternity. Competitions aren't replicas of each other, you know.
 

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Sorry but I have to say this: I am not a fan of Sonitkova or even Kim. I do think there is something wrong with the judging in Sochi.

BUT I think some of you guys, who are nitpicking a 17-year-old girl's actions, are too much. Seriously, she is just 17, she is still underage. I bet she believe whatever her coach, Tarasova, Fed...tell her. It's not that she is too naive, it's just she is at that age.

Man, I don't expect a 17-year-old kid to speak diplomatically and fluently in an interview. When I was 17, I was arrogant and indifferent as hell. And i am no celebrity, no genius teenager who has just won OMG. Spare her, please. I bet she didn't compete at Worlds was the action of Russian Fed, she had no decision over the matter.
 

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Sorry but I have to say this: I am not a fan of Sonitkova or even Kim. I do think there is something wrong with the judging in Sochi.

BUT I think some of you guys, who are nitpicking a 17-year-old girl's actions, are too much. Seriously, she is just 17, she is still underage. I bet she believe whatever her coach, Tarasova, Fed...tell her. It's not that she is too naive, it's just she is at that age.

Man, I don't expect a 17-year-old kid to speak diplomatically and fluently in an interview. When I was 17, I was arrogant and indifferent as hell. And i am no celebrity, no genius teenager who has just won OMG. Spare her, please. I bet she didn't compete at Worlds was the action of Russian Fed, she had no decision over the matter.

:agree: Couldn't have said it any better myself.
 

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I see the Goggle translate brigade is at it again. Time for the actual translator to weigh in. Alors:

Q: After your amazing victory, tons of international media criticized the judging and you personally. How does is affect you, or does it? And how important is it for you to be recognized by the international community?

A. Well, most of the international community supports me (laughs). The day after my win I received lots of...millions...billions of Facebook messages from my friends and enemies. The opinions were naturally divided, but I wasn't worried in the slightest, because I knew I did all I could on the ice. I had a skate of my life! I never skated like I did at the Olympics. And I believe I deserve this medal because Kim's program was weaker. She had no second combo late in the program, and when she did, it was a triple/double. And the jump she picked was easier. If she chose something more difficult, a double loop, for instance...even if she did early in the program, she would have won. But as she miscalculated somewhat and didn't do what she had to do by making the program easier, that worked against her.

Thank you for the translation.

I will say that I have no qualms with her answer, but that respectfully disagree with her premise. There are two segments in the competition and Yuna did not have a "weaker" program in the SP. In fact Yuna's BV was one point higher. Adelina did make up for the BV deficit with solid +GOE, but there is no way her PCS should have been close to Yuna's either in the SP or the FS.

Honestly with further hindsight, there is a case for her win, but it should have not been a 5 point gap, but rather a squeaker. That was how Mr. P felt. He actually did not have a problem with the win but felt that she was overscored in PCS and should have squeaked by with the win.

And while I had no problem with her answer -- and I'm playing devil's advocate here -- she might have been better off saying that she had the more difficult program rather than saying Yuna had the weaker one.
 
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Sorry but I have to say this: I am not a fan of Sonitkova or even Kim. I do think there is something wrong with the judging in Sochi.

BUT I think some of you guys, who are nitpicking a 17-year-old girl's actions, are too much. Seriously, she is just 17, she is still underage. I bet she believe whatever her coach, Tarasova, Fed...tell her. It's not that she is too naive, it's just she is at that age.

Man, I don't expect a 17-year-old kid to speak diplomatically and fluently in an interview. When I was 17, I was arrogant and indifferent as hell. And i am no celebrity, no genius teenager who has just won OMG. Spare her, please. I bet she didn't compete at Worlds was the action of Russian Fed, she had no decision over the matter.

:thumbsup: Thank you! My thought, exactly.
 
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