Yuzuru Hanyu: 2013-14 Season

[HanDomi]

this thread goes too fast!
don't know if anyone posted this already but it said that there is a possibility that Yuzuru will do 3 quads next season..
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20140415-00000104-san-spo

this crazy guy....

the funniest is that if he will do 3 next season that possibly it will be 3 diffrent quads :think:

But it also can be like 4S, 4T, 4T2T ( instead of 2T at second 3A combo )


He don't need 3 quads to win if he will make clean program, but as refering to his words, he don't want to stay in place, and he must move forward to be prepared at next olympics, so I think 3 quads may will be possible next season


We will see. He also don't need two quads in SP, but I am sure in next seasons he will go for 2 quads in SP when salchow will be stable in competition

 

[Hanmgse]

this thread goes too fast!
don't know if anyone posted this already but it said that there is a possibility that Yuzuru will do 3 quads next season..
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20140415-00000104-san-spo

this crazy guy....

I thought he said he wouldn'd add new quads until the season that comes after the next one. Actually I would prefer it that way so he can focus in other thinks like posture ans basic skills as he also said before . Well it's just a possibility as you wrote, we'll have to wait to see what happens

 

[roxella]

this thread goes too fast!
don't know if anyone posted this already but it said that there is a possibility that Yuzuru will do 3 quads next season..
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20140415-00000104-san-spo

this crazy guy....

The kid in on fire I only hope that he can stay healthy and enjoy us with his amazing performances many years from now on

 

[figureskateobasan]

I thought he said he wouldn'd add new quads until the season that comes after the next one. Actually I would prefer it that way so he can focus in other thinks like posture ans basic skills as he also said before

I think that was 4Loop. in the article he said the chance for 3 quads next season is not zero. but he also mention that of course he will try to improve other component, not only focusing on jumps. I also prefer him to improve his skating skills.. recently he look like someone who fight for technical points rather than the artistry itself..

 

[Hanmgse]

I think that was 4Loop. in the article he said the chance for 3 quads next season is not zero. but he also mention that of course he will try to improve other component, not only focusing on jumps. I also prefer him to improve his skating skills.. recently he look like someone who fight for technical points rather than the artistry itself..

Right it was 4loop, I read 3 quads and that jumped into my mind. He doesn't look like that for me but well he also said that he wants to improve his artistry so

 

[Meoima]

I think that was 4Loop. in the article he said the chance for 3 quads next season is not zero. but he also mention that of course he will try to improve other component, not only focusing on jumps. I also prefer him to improve his skating skills.. recently he look like someone who fight for technical points rather than the artistry itself..

The kid is crazy... But once he set his goal, it's very difficult to stop him. He has been keen on the 4S for 2 seasons despite all the falls. I think 3 quads is a possibility, but 4 loop is not that easy. Obviously Brian Orser and David Wilson will have some words about it. I hope he will focus on his posture and take ballet lessons as he has said before.

 

[YesWay]

The kid is crazy... But once he set his goal, it's very difficult to stop him. He has been keen on the 4S for 2 seasons despite all the falls. I think 3 quads is a possibility, but 4 loop is not that easy. Obviously Brian Orser and David Wilson will have some words about it. I hope he will focus on his posture and take ballet lessons as he has said before.

Hmm. Just like Brian Orser suggested to Hanyu that for the Olympics, he might consider the "easier" and more "reliable" option... two 4T's, instead of 4T and 4S? According to Orser, Hanyu "was having none of that"!

Although the layout would surely have been easier for him (his 4T is sooo good, and sooo reliable)... He was absolutely determined to continue with the 4S. Orser could not persuade him.

Because apparently to him - taking it out would be a step backwards. Seems he has big plans, and regarded removal of the 4S as possibly setting back his plans, by a whole extra season. And he thought sticking to the plan was more important, than taking the "easy" win - even when the Olympic gold was at stake!

So, after hearing that story recently - I'm not sure anymore, how much influence Orser has (or anyone), when Hanyu is determined...!

 

[echotpe]

Because apparently to him - taking it out would be a step backwards. Seems he has big plans, and regarded removal of the 4S as possibly setting back his plans, by a whole extra season. And he thought sticking to the plan was more important, than taking the "easy" win - even when the Olympic gold was at stake!

So, after hearing that story recently - I'm not sure anymore, how much influence Orser has (or anyone), when Hanyu is determined...!

You read Yuzu clearly. :thumbsup:

Suggest watching an interview made by Shuzo Matsuoka for Asahi TV. It is a valuable video to read Yuzu in the past and after. As Matsuoka is a former Japan National tennis player. His interview is somehow reflected what and how a professional athlete pursuits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4uRDlnAjsY

The English translation credit to http://a-m-n-o-s.tumblr.com/post/81410874751

In the interview clips, we might see Yuzu's uncompromising attitude. For example:

video from 1:56

Matsuoka: Coach Orser made the suggestion a few times to change your 4S jump to 4T jump, so why did you insist on doing 4S?

Yuzu: Actually before Sochi Olympics, the previous seasons, I also could not perform the 4S jumps well. Coach Orser suggested to change 4S to 4T, but I think that even though it might be easier to perform the jumps successfully, I might not be able to move forward to the next season, the next Olympics. So, I refused to give in, because I cannot and do not want to stop here.

Matsuoka: Your name (Yuzuru) sounds like “yuzuri” (T/N: in Japanese, it meant “to easily concede”) [Matsuoka meant it as a joke.]

Yuzu: (Laughs) No, I will definitely never concede.

After getting the gold medals, I am aiming higher. My dream is to become a really strong skater who will never lose. As an athlete, I think I must go ahead and challenge the extreme. Regardless of lose or win, I want to try my absolute best, to get the feeling that, “Ah, I did it!”.

 

[Pamigena]

While I agree that the kid seems to be quite headstrong once he has set his mind on something, I do hope that he can see the difference between asking him to take a step backwards and asking him not to move forward too fast.
I understand why he wouldn't want to go backwards by taking out the 4S. And as I understood it Orser was not suggesting to do that because it was stupid or dangerous to keep it in but just because it would have made his routine more stable (read: easier?). But I think there's a difference between asking him to take a step backwards and asking him not to overdo it, since that might actually be stupid and dangerous.
Correct me if I understood wrong again (or if I'm clouded by my wishful thinking that his health might be important to him in the long run)

 

[Meoima]

While I agree that the kid seems to be quite headstrong once he has set his mind on something, I do hope that he can see the difference between asking him to take a step backwards and asking him not to move forward too fast.
I understand why he wouldn't want to go backwards by taking out the 4S. And as I understood it Orser was not suggesting to do that because it was stupid or dangerous to keep it in but just because it would have made his routine more stable (read: easier?). But I think there's a difference between asking him to take a step backwards and asking him not to overdo it, since that might actually be stupid and dangerous.
Correct me if I understood wrong again (or if I'm clouded by my wishful thinking that his health might be important to him in the long run)

But that doesn't mean he will add the 4 loop right away, because he still falls most of the time. With his 4S, at least he lands it perfectly in practice, just not in competition. But the 4 loop is more unstable than 4S in practice, so let's wait and see how he's gonna make it.

 

[giulia95]

Hmm. Just like Brian Orser suggested to Hanyu that for the Olympics, he might consider the "easier" and more "reliable" option... two 4T's, instead of 4T and 4S? According to Orser, Hanyu "was having none of that"!

Although the layout would surely have been easier for him (his 4T is sooo good, and sooo reliable)... He was absolutely determined to continue with the 4S. Orser could not persuade him.

Because apparently to him - taking it out would be a step backwards. Seems he has big plans, and regarded removal of the 4S as possibly setting back his plans, by a whole extra season. And he thought sticking to the plan was more important, than taking the "easy" win - even when the Olympic gold was at stake!

So, after hearing that story recently - I'm not sure anymore, how much influence Orser has (or anyone), when Hanyu is determined...!

It’ s not only about the story recently , based on what happened before JN and London World last season...

Actually I think it was a wise decision not to force Yuzuru to obey , but to respect his ideas and to cooperate with him .

Last year they wanted the kid to mature , they didn’t understand the “young man ” was already there....

 

[Yuzusan]

For the next season, I think he will fix the 4S, add a 3A after his 4T. And during exhibition, practise 4L and why not 4A.

 

[nimi]

add a 3A after his 4T

Unfortunately, that doesn't make CoP sense. It would be a jump seq, not a combo, and worthy only 80% of those jumps' base value.

 

[Silvia451]

I also think his 4S is going to be great next season. Maybe the fact that he landed it at the worlds will be an important factor.

 

[yay]

Hi everybody.
I've learnt that besides D. Wilson, Nam Nguyen also works with Lori Nichol. I wonder if there is a chance she will choreograph a program for Yuzuru.
I'd never hoped for that before, because I didn't know she actually cooperates with Brian Orser. Now I think it might be possible. I'm really curious what her work with Yuzu would result in.

 

[HanDomi]

I think Yuzuru's free should be choreographed by two person. David Wilson and someone with fresh ideas like Buttle. You can say what you want about DW but he is good in making points in his programs. Second option - DW will find huge inspiration and will make program of his life for Yuzu

 

[Meoima]

Hi everybody.
I've learnt that besides D. Wilson, Nam Nguyen also works with Lori Nichol. I wonder if there is a chance she will choreograph a program for Yuzuru.
I'd never hoped for that before, because I didn't know she actually cooperates with Brian Orser. Now I think it might be possible. I'm really curious what her work with Yuzu would result in.

Please let it be Lori Nichol!!!!!! Finger cross!!!

 

[Silvia451]

Please let it be Lori Nichol!!!!!! Finger cross!!!

THIS!

 

[jimeonji]

Unfortunately, that doesn't make CoP sense. It would be a jump seq, not a combo, and worthy only 80% of those jumps' base value.

He could do a 3a4t, its worth the same amount of points as a 4t3a anyways

 

[treeloving]

He could do a 3a4t, its worth the same amount of points as a 4t3a anyways

3a4t will get better points as it is not counted as sequence.

BTW, I think Nichol style does not suit YUzuru at all. She is good choreographer for ballet style skaters like Mao and Carolina. Yuzu should try Camerlengo or Averbukh or Zhulin or any other less famous choreographer but with fresher idea.