Don't be ridiculous. Don't you think Chihee Rhee planted a couple of big ol sloppy ones on Kim in Vancouver, if only out of the cameras' view? What's good for Korea is good for Russia.
Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS
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Ah yes, and that falls in line with the long history of Korean figure skating judges rigging the sport in favor of their own competitors. God, just think of all those unworthy South Korean figure skaters who have stolen points from the Russians. It is truly a travesty!
Do you deny that the Korean federation skating official sat on both SP and LP panels in Vancouver?
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You do realize what you're describing is part of her ChSq1 and not a transition, right? You probably won't understand what I'm saying if I tell you that an element is not a transition, but basically she earns a base value and GOE for those moves so she doesn't also get additional credit for it in PCS. One the ChSq1 ends, she does two back crossovers, then a 2A, then a spin.
Part of the criteria for GOE bonus is difficult entry into an element. If elements are woven together that tightly they make those elements more difficult, and thus it should enhance the GOE. And yes, of course all this matters to PCS because the whole point of PCS is to award programs that are well woven together. The fact that Yuna's last elements were that tightly packed enhances the skate, and makes it more difficult.
So in other words, you feel it's all right for skating federation officials to sit on panels judging native skaters, as long as they vote your preferred skater to the gold medal? Good to know.
And to think, I had already posted an animated gif a while back showing Adelina's and Yuna's lead-in to their (stand-alone) double axels, side by side:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/120676593@N05/13334274763/sizes/o/in/photostream/
It's easy to see that Yuna only does one back crossover during that part (at 4:08 in the previously linked video). Also, what is Adelina doing at the same timeframe? She's already in her prep position for the Axel. That's the claimed "actual packed choreography" right there. Adelina takes a full second longer than Yuna to prep for the jump but it's Adelina that gets credited with packed choreography according to some posters on this forum.
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So when Adelina does these things her program is busy, but when Yuna does it that make it a tightly-packed enhancement.
There was no difficult entrance the the 2A. The footwork stopped and she did strokes into the jump. Doing back crossovers directly before the jump negates whatever came before it, particularly when it is another credited element. Although I'm sure you think she should get more GOE on that spin because she did a 2A before.
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Adelina Sotnikova is the 2014 Olympic champion! :yay:
That's the footnote of one of the users at fsunet. And after a while I have started to agree with the mood. The only weapon against the so called analysis is to stick to the fact.
That's the footnote of one of the users at fsunet. And after a while I have started to agree with the mood. The only weapon against the so called analysis is to stick to the fact.
Um no I never said Adelina's program was busy. I said her last 4 jumping passes have almost 0 choreography or foot work that she is ostensibly an expert at. She designed her program to be jump heavy in the last half an collect TES after a fairly basic footwork sequence. But figure skating is not only assessed based on TES (unless you are a Sochi judge and weight PCS within hundredths of a decimal point). Skaters who put work into conveying emotion, and putting out a strong performance deserve to be rewarded for such.
*And yes it is difficult to enter a 2A immediately after doing difficult footwork. Not sure what is so controversial about that notion. It is pretty obvious.
*And yes it is difficult to enter a 2A immediately after doing difficult footwork. Not sure what is so controversial about that notion. It is pretty obvious.
So when Adelina does these things her program is busy, but when Yuna does it that make it a tightly-packed enhancement.
There was no difficult entrance the the 2A. The footwork stopped and she did strokes into the jump. Doing back crossovers directly before the jump negates whatever came before it, particularly when it is another credited element. Although I'm sure you think she should get more GOE on that spin because she did a 2A before.
sk8in is correct as they are talking about intricacy of elements. Yes, when elements are seamlessly linked together, they elevate the level of intricacy aspect of transitions. Why do you think this official ISU video on transitions uses Yu-Na's sequence of Ina Bauer+2A+spin as an example? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnXGtSK9hCw#t=14 If only the Ina Bauer mattered, they would exclude showing the 2A/spin.
In her Sochi Olympics FS, Yu-Na did ONE crossover after the footwork into the 2A and yes, that is indeed a set-up with a higher level of difficulty than the normal. I would not say it is the most difficult entrance ever, but it is wrong to say that there is no difficult entrance at all. No difficulty whatsoever would be a telegraphed set-up, such as you see the men do with their 3As or some other ladies skaters do with their 2A.
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At 4:06-4:07, after the steps, she rebalances herself on two feet, then does her crossovers into the 2A. That isn't a difficult jump entrance when you go from gliding on two feet into a back crossover into a jump. It's not telegraphed but it isn't a difficult entrance either.
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still preparing a thesis or expecting the Nobel Prize in chemistry?:scratch: 
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LOL. I guess The Bible is fact too.
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Well they certainly wouldn't let her get away with doing 6 crossovers in a row at any point in the program.
Hah. Your observations are just disingenuous. The "reblancing" on two feet is not "rebalancing" at all--Yuna actually has upper body choreographed movement and it's a nice little pause in time with the music.
The set-up for Yu-Na's second 2A is short, it directly follows her choreographed sequence, and it's very late in the program. These things make the jump more difficult to execute. Btw, Adelina has a single turn (not a "complex turn" as you keep saying), and is gliding for a longer time before her final 2A.
Now if only they could teach skaters how to Lz correctly.
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