Wow. This is indeed exciting news. Thanks for the information, ioanap. What would we do without your sleuthing skills!
Tatsuki Machida
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Wow. This is indeed exciting news. Thanks for the information, ioanap. What would we do without your sleuthing skills!
Its nice to hear he's staying 
He deserves a national title, so I was hoping he'd get one before he retires. Highly doubtful about Daisuke making it to 2018 though (He'll be 32 then and he's no plushenko 
)....I mean Japan would be in big trouble if in 4 years, none of the up and coming is able to get a semi-consistent quad. I'm hoping Mura or Kozuka makes it, that is, if they stay till then.
He deserves a national title, so I was hoping he'd get one before he retires. Highly doubtful about Daisuke making it to 2018 though (He'll be 32 then and he's no plushenko )....I mean Japan would be in big trouble if in 4 years, none of the up and coming is able to get a semi-consistent quad. I'm hoping Mura or Kozuka makes it, that is, if they stay till then.
No surprise to hear he changed his mind. He has the best season of his career so far. Kind of Murakami alike but for Murakami is all about her position in the Japanese Ladies team not the results.
It is good news for Team Japan but I doubt that he will be able to hold out that long. He is not really a judges favourite in term of his skating. I'm sure Mura's comeback is more likely since for some reason he is always Federation's skater.
It is good news for Team Japan but I doubt that he will be able to hold out that long. He is not really a judges favourite in term of his skating. I'm sure Mura's comeback is more likely since for some reason he is always Federation's skater.
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A national title would be great, but Yuzuru would have to mess up his programs really bad in order to lose the gold at the nationals by now. Which of course won't happen. Tatsuki's gonna have to upgrade his base value to catch up with him and he's already going to be 25 by the next Worlds.
But if Daisuke was very close to getting a second bronze in Sochi and would have probably gotten it if that injury hadn't happened, Tatsuki can hope for the same if he stays healthy and consistent. As for Daisuke himself, yes, he's going to be 31 going on 32 in Pyeongchang. If he does come back, it's more likely to be out of passion and less for more medals. His priority in Pyeongchang would not be the gold medal anymore. The thing is, at 28 years of age, he is still more consistent than everybody else (besides Yuzuru and Tatsuki of course) in the men's field in Japan. Takahito Mura is nowhere near their level and has not gotten impressive results so far. Takahiko Kozuka is unfortunately as inconsistent, and that's a shame because he's a very talented skater; I really hope he comes back stronger in the next season.
The men's field is safe so far though, compared to the women's :disapp:
But if Daisuke was very close to getting a second bronze in Sochi and would have probably gotten it if that injury hadn't happened, Tatsuki can hope for the same if he stays healthy and consistent. As for Daisuke himself, yes, he's going to be 31 going on 32 in Pyeongchang. If he does come back, it's more likely to be out of passion and less for more medals. His priority in Pyeongchang would not be the gold medal anymore. The thing is, at 28 years of age, he is still more consistent than everybody else (besides Yuzuru and Tatsuki of course) in the men's field in Japan. Takahito Mura is nowhere near their level and has not gotten impressive results so far. Takahiko Kozuka is unfortunately as inconsistent, and that's a shame because he's a very talented skater; I really hope he comes back stronger in the next season.
The men's field is safe so far though, compared to the women's :disapp:
Its nice to hear he's staying
I respectfully (in the nicest way possible) disagree with your comment about Daisuke. Throughout his career he has shown such determination, strength and courage to face and overcome all of his physical struggles regarding injuries so I believe anything can happen concerning Daisuke. Not sure what you meant by your comment "he's no Plushenko" but I would prefer to watch Daisuke skate rather than Plushenko. We all have our preferences but I, personally, would much rather watch an artistic skater than watch a skater doing tricks without much creativity in between the jumps.
I agree with your comments regarding Daisuke. Don't ever underestimate him because in addition to his skills and artistry he is such a trooper.
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The truth is, Tatsuki himself was very inconsistent in his younger years. It was only in the 2012-2013 season when he started winning GP medals (gold at Cup of China, bronze at Skate America) but he somehow ended up 9th at the nationals. I have no idea what exactly did he do to finish 2nd at the next nationals, right in time for Sochi; it was like he morphed into a whole new skater with stronger jumps and consistency
Truly remarkable. The difference between him and Mura is that even in his younger, messier years, one could actually see a real potential in Machida to make it big and he just needed to click. Machida has always been a fighter and this is something I don't see in younger skaters - when you hear Tanaka and Hino's future perspectives they are downright depressing. Maybe Machida can tell Shoma Uno the secret to becoming a stronger skater and then we can actually see a new Takahashi emerging in competitions
Easy. He works hard to the level that they couldn't snuff him.I have no idea what exactly did he do to finish 2nd at the next nationals, right in time for Sochi; it was like he morphed into a whole new skater with stronger jumps and consistency
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I think what makaihime meant is the fact that Plushenko never had any issues with his quads and was always able to nail his technical content in order to medal at every Olympics he competed. Well, nobody can really measure up to Plushenko as far as long term success goes, but as long as Daisuke himself is taking Pyeongchang into consideration, somewhere in there he still believes he can perform and actually be satisfied with his performance. That's probably all that matters to him by now, and most certainly to his fans as well. Whatever he decides to do, I'm sure he is going to think about it carefully.
I'm probably more of a "guest" in this thread than actual fan (though I loved Tatsuki's Worlds SP!), but I wanted to say, I'm happy to hear he's going to continue. I really hope he gets a title somewhere, no matter if it's Worlds, Nationals, GPF... I think he deserved to win Worlds this year, and I'm sad that it's likely he won't get another chance. 
I dunno how well he'll do in 2018, but if he's physically up to it, I think he can continue for a few years with success.
Regarding sending the same team to Pyeongchang... I don't think that's likely. Yuzu will still be around barring major disaster. Tatsuki is likely too if he wants to continue. But Dai... I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I feel like it'll be very difficult for him. Too many injuries, age catching up to him, and the quads have never been stable for him. He got 2 points for his quads in Sochi.
I'd be thrilled if he continues simply for the love of skating, but I can see at least one Japanese man has passing him by Pyeongchang.
Cdngirl, I don't think Makaihime's comment had anything to do with liking Plush or Dai more. (I like Plush more, but I love Dai as well, as you can probably tell from the above paragraph.
). It just speaks to how difficult it'll be for Dai to remain competitive: a) No one sans Plushenko has ever been remotely competitive at that age--he's a huge anomaly. At Dai's current age, Plushenko was far more competitive than Dai is right now. b) By Sochi, Dai's quads looked like they were gone; he's never been very stable on his jumps, especially compared to someone like Plushenko. That's not to say he can't get the quads back, but it'll be difficult as he gets older. c) Plush is also possibly the fiercest competitor ever. Dai is no headcase, but he is not as consistent and will not be as capable of taking advantage of his opponents' errors (especially with the current system that punishes his URs more than outright falls).
I dunno how well he'll do in 2018, but if he's physically up to it, I think he can continue for a few years with success.Regarding sending the same team to Pyeongchang... I don't think that's likely. Yuzu will still be around barring major disaster. Tatsuki is likely too if he wants to continue. But Dai... I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I feel like it'll be very difficult for him. Too many injuries, age catching up to him, and the quads have never been stable for him. He got 2 points for his quads in Sochi.
I'd be thrilled if he continues simply for the love of skating, but I can see at least one Japanese man has passing him by Pyeongchang.Cdngirl, I don't think Makaihime's comment had anything to do with liking Plush or Dai more. (I like Plush more, but I love Dai as well, as you can probably tell from the above paragraph.
). It just speaks to how difficult it'll be for Dai to remain competitive: a) No one sans Plushenko has ever been remotely competitive at that age--he's a huge anomaly. At Dai's current age, Plushenko was far more competitive than Dai is right now. b) By Sochi, Dai's quads looked like they were gone; he's never been very stable on his jumps, especially compared to someone like Plushenko. That's not to say he can't get the quads back, but it'll be difficult as he gets older. c) Plush is also possibly the fiercest competitor ever. Dai is no headcase, but he is not as consistent and will not be as capable of taking advantage of his opponents' errors (especially with the current system that punishes his URs more than outright falls).:yes: @ ioanap and Sandpiper. Thank you, that's exactly what I meant.
I wasn't implying that Daisuke isn't good or shouldn't continue, I'm just saying its highly unlikely he'll remind competitive enough in 4 years. His quads were always a hit or miss and was never consistent and it's only going to get worst with age and increasing injuries. Also, he seems to be plagued by UR issues. By "he's no plushenko" I just meant that if there was one person you can trust to hit those quads 95% of the time, even with a dozen surgeries + 3 screws in his back, its plushenko and that's the only reason why he can still be considered a contender at the age of 31. Unfortunately I don't see it as being a possibility for Daisuke.
I'm hoping Kozuka pulls a Akiko and finishes in 2018 with a high note, I absolutely adore his skating.
I wasn't implying that Daisuke isn't good or shouldn't continue, I'm just saying its highly unlikely he'll remind competitive enough in 4 years. His quads were always a hit or miss and was never consistent and it's only going to get worst with age and increasing injuries. Also, he seems to be plagued by UR issues.
By "he's no plushenko" I just meant that if there was one person you can trust to hit those quads 95% of the time, even with a dozen surgeries + 3 screws in his back, its plushenko and that's the only reason why he can still be considered a contender at the age of 31. Unfortunately I don't see it as being a possibility for Daisuke. I'm hoping Kozuka pulls a Akiko and finishes in 2018 with a high note, I absolutely adore his skating.
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Ah, this would be incredible and I'd love for this to happen.I'm hoping Kozuka pulls a Akiko and finishes in 2018 with a high note, I absolutely adore his skating
Well the main reason why I trust Dai more than I trust Taka is the fact that a Dai with a broken knee, a dozen injuries and hit and miss quads managed to be more consistent and place higher than Taka in most of the competitions - and Taka himself is plagued by hip problems. Mura is a big question mark so far, while Tanaka and Hino sound like a dark comedy duo when people ask them about the future of their careers.
But as far as the 2014-2015 season goes, the Hanyu-Machida rivalry will be interesting to watch, especially because of their different skating styles. Even if Machida has to work harder than before if he really wants to get a title. As for Kozuka, I can only hope he's able to catch up with those two and pull a Skate America 2012 at least once more.
The difference between Dai and Kozuka at this point is that I think Kozuka has more of a competitive block, whereas Dai's body is literally giving out on him. It seems like Kozuka can, physically, continue. Dai is a big question mark. Of course, I wouldn't put Kozuka chances for titles/medals much higher than Dai's at this point...
:yes: @ ioanap and Sandpiper. Thank you, that's exactly what I meant.
I wasn't implying that Daisuke isn't good or shouldn't continue, I'm just saying its highly unlikely he'll remind competitive enough in 4 years. His quads were always a hit or miss and was never consistent and it's only going to get worst with age and increasing injuries. Also, he seems to be plagued by UR issues.
I'm hoping Kozuka pulls a Akiko and finishes in 2018 with a high note, I absolutely adore his skating.
My apologies for misinterpreting your comparison of Daisuke and Plushenko so thanks for explaining what you really meant about the quads. I think a healthy Daisuke is capable of quads as he showed us in the 2013 NHK, which was just a few months before Sochi, but I see your point about Plushenko's surgeries and other issues. Thanks also to Sandpiper and Ioanap for your explanations.
It just occurred to me that this is actually Tatsuki's thread so I shouldn't even be discussing Daisuke, at great length, so apologies for highjacking this thread. On that note, I am very happy to hear the news that Tatsuki is going to continue. I'm such a big fan of his artistry and love the choreography he recently created.
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It's very difficult to say whose body's gonna give up first between those two
I mean this season, an injury free Kozuka got 238 points at Worlds in comparison with a broken and tired Daisuke's 250 points in Sochi. With his Sochi score, Dai would have been 4th in Saitama.cdngirl, don't worry, we're all talking about other skaters in Tatsuki's thread but I think it's related to his decision to continue his career
Well the judges never really cared too much for Kozuka which makes me sad If he wants a podium, he'll have to really work for it.
@cdngirl no no, don't worry about it. I apologize if it sounded like I was insulting Daisuke, it wasn't my intention. =)
If he wants a podium, he'll have to really work for it.@cdngirl no no, don't worry about it. I apologize if it sounded like I was insulting Daisuke, it wasn't my intention. =)
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^ I'm fairly certain he never got the marks he deserved in SS and I don't think his PCS are going to help him much because of the inconsistency. Even Mura beat him at the 4CC and his future in competitions generally looks gloomier than an injured an aging Daisuke...
I don't think we could compare scores across competitions. Different tech panel, different judges, plus Olympics scores are likely inflated. Dai relied on his PCS to pull those scores at the Olympics. I don't know if he'll be able to rely on them for the coming four years. Yeah, I guess it's true Kozuka isn't going to remain in perfect health, and Dai can certainly heal. But at this point, it seems like Dai is the one having more trouble physically and with technical elements. Perhaps I'm being too negative because I'm still heartbroken about his completely useless (score-wise) quads in Sochi.It's very difficult to say whose body's gonna give up first between those two
cdngirl, don't worry, we're all talking about other skaters in Tatsuki's thread but I think it's related to his decision to continue his career
Apologies for taking over Tatsuki's thread. I wonder, would Dai (and Kozuka) continuing have a positive or negative effect on forerunners like Tatsuki and Yuzu? Would it keep them on their toes, or are Dai and Kozuka not competitive enough to do this anymore?
Regarding Kozuka's scores: I think his inconsistency really hurt him. He needs to deliver a perfect performance to make the judges sit up and notice, and do this on a regular basis instead of once in a blue moon.
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I guess you're right about the different competitions and judges but even so, it looked like Kozuka didn't even get a little home boost for skating in Saitama. His programs also looked weaker than Dai's (especially the LP - many mistakes). I didn't expect the kind of PCS Dai got in Sochi with the TES he had - but it was fair and square. A rarity these days Would have expected something like that to happen at Worlds in Saitama.
In a previous interview Yuzuru himself said he wished for Dai to continue his career because his presence has a positive effect on him. He said he's always looking forward to watching him skate and observe him and he trusts them to be a competitive force together. I'm absolutely sure Tatsuki would say the same thing
Would have expected something like that to happen at Worlds in Saitama. In a previous interview Yuzuru himself said he wished for Dai to continue his career because his presence has a positive effect on him. He said he's always looking forward to watching him skate and observe him and he trusts them to be a competitive force together. I'm absolutely sure Tatsuki would say the same thing
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