Mirai Nagasu's future prospects

[coolboogie22]

Does anyone can repost the 2 files on youtube or on another download link ? Please

I really want to see the new SP/FS from Mirai.

 

[breathesgelatin]

does anyone have a link to her Madame Butterfly? Also, what is the music for her short?

Thanks!!

The music for the short is Rachmaninov's 18th variation on a theme of Paganini

Does anyone can repost the 2 files on youtube or on another download link ? Please

I really want to see the new SP/FS from Mirai.

The footage of the Broadmoor open was not free - users paid to stream and play it back later. My understanding is that the event organizers are putting up copyright claims on the material. Thus why it's not on YouTube.

 

[jenaj]

I really liked Mirai's long program--so much potential. I hope she brings out the full passion she is capable of when she skates it during the Grand Prix. Her short program is good, too--you really can't go wrong with Rachmaninoff--but she has to bring the tech without mistakes.

 

[Icey]

What is the penalty for infringing a copyright?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

IMO there is no reason she can't both train a 3A and address her ur problems.

Agreed. Like Mao, Mirai's UR issues are mental and a result of being tentative. Her jumps are good technically.

 

[tulosai]

What is the penalty for infringing a copyright?

Realistically? If caught, as a one-time deal, a medium sized fine. If caught repeatedly or for many infringements, potentially more. In theory though one could be sent to jail for it. It is a crime.

ETA from Purdue Law's summary of the laws

The legal penalties for copyright infringement are:

Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
The Court can impound the illegal works.
The infringer can go to jail.

 

[coolboogie22]

No. 18.

Please Repost Mirai SP

 

[coolboogie22]

Mum's the word. <3

Mirai looked great for an early season comp. I can already seem improvements in her short time working with Tom Z (who was at the boards with her). I thought she looked quite regal out there and I think this FS has a lot of potential for her!

Please repost her FS also, I want to see Mirai new program like the other members, yesterday

 

[Mathman]

What is the penalty for infringing a copyright?

Talosai gave a good explanation of the legal penalties, but in the case of skating videos uploaded by fans to YouTube, the only thing that happens is that if the copyright holder complains to YouTube then YouTube will take the video down and tell the uploader not to do it any more. If the uploader persists, YouTube might close his or her account. Television networks seem not to care much, and fan cams are not usually bothered even when someone has proprietary rights (like a professional show).

icenetwork owns the copyright to most figure skating skating contests in the U.S., and they do try to guard their stuff by asking YouTube to take clandestine vids down. (This began in 2008 -- older material is pretty safe). Icenetwork's position is that the product they sell is on-line streaming of competitions, so it cuts into their profits if fans say, "I won't sign up for Icenetwork, I'll just wait an hour and it will be up on YouTube."

The Broadmore event is somewhat different. The videos are produced by a private media company and people buy access to them. Again, if the vids are reposted for free, that cuts into the profits of the media company, which paid the organizers of the event for the exclusive right to make and sell the vids.

 

[chuckm]

I paid the $18 fee to watch the competition live, which also included the option to view any portion of it on demand later. That opportunity was open to everyone on this board. But no, everyone wants something for nothing. That's human nature for you.

 

[karne]

I paid the $18 fee to watch the competition live, which also included the option to view any portion of it on demand later. That opportunity was open to everyone on this board. But no, everyone wants something for nothing. That's human nature for you.

First - it was $18 if you got in early. And second - not everyone has a spare $18. Some people tried to sign up and the site wouldn't take their card.

I'm pretty confident the webcast got more subscribers this year than last. Why? Because Jason was there.

I bought the subscription before I even found out Jason was going to be there - I just wanted to see the jumps and also I thought Lukas might be going to be there. Jason ended up being a bonus. But not everyone is in my position.

 

[Mrs. P]

I paid the $18 fee to watch the competition live, which also included the option to view any portion of it on demand later. That opportunity was open to everyone on this board. But no, everyone wants something for nothing. That's human nature for you.

I paid $22.50 (yay procrastination!), but I second what karne said and not everyone has the wherewithal to purchase the streaming. Not only that, nobody knew until the day of the ladies SP that Mirai was even in it.

There's no need to give people a hard time.

 

[Victura]

Thanks Mrs. P for making the links available, even if they could only stay up a short time. For those who know more about this than I do, would unlisted videos on Youtube also get pulled?

I liked both of Mirai's programs, the SP better than the FS despite the jump issues. I think she'll have time to grow into both programs, and I liked what I saw of the jumping passes in the FS.

 

[mirai4life]

Realistically? If caught, as a one-time deal, a medium sized fine. If caught repeatedly or for many infringements, potentially more. In theory though one could be sent to jail for it. It is a crime.

ETA from Purdue Law's summary of the laws

The legal penalties for copyright infringement are:

Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
The Court can impound the illegal works.
The infringer can go to jail.

We're not talking about illegal business where one is making profit here.

 

[karne]

Thanks Mrs. P for making the links available, even if they could only stay up a short time. For those who know more about this than I do, would unlisted videos on Youtube also get pulled?

Yes. When I originally posted the first version of Jason's Riverdance last year, I put it as an unlisted video on Youtube. Five days I think it lasted. I also think that this year they were much more awake to the possibility of people putting videos up.

 

[ice coverage]

We're not talking about illegal business where one is making profit here.

You would not be laughing if you were the vendor who sold access to the live streaming of Broadmoor.

My understanding is that one of the Broadmoor videos received several thousands of hits on YouTube before it was taken down.

If the vendor were able to successfully bill even just one thousand of those viewers for the $18 cost of the streaming, we're talking about $18,000.

I don't mean to sound holier than thou. I myself have watched many a YT video of skating. But I cannot and do not object to copyright holders who try to protect the content that they own.

ETA, correction: the platform was vimeo, not YouTube.​

 

[mirai4life]

You would not be laughing if you were the vendor who sold access to the live streaming of Broadmoor.

My understanding is that one of the Broadmoor videos received several thousands of hits on YouTube before it was taken down.

If the vendor were able to successfully bill even just one thousand of those viewers for the $18 cost of the streaming, we're talking about $18,000.

I don't mean to sound holier than thou. I myself have watched many a YT video of skating. But I cannot and do not object to copyright holders who try to protect the content that they own.

really?

That's like saying if someone uploads a song on youtube, each stream would cost $1.29.

If the uploader is not making any money, they are fine. The video will be gone from youtube. Nothing more.

 

[Icey]

Violating someone's copyright rights should not be taken lightly or justified as something that is acceptable imo. Does the forum have a stated policy on this? I admit to my own guilt in watching them, which is somewhat akin to accepting stolen goods.

 

[Mrs. P]

I personally don't take copyright lightly. That's why I did pay. (And I also pay for Ice Network). But I also know there are some people who aren't able to make the expense. I considered sharing a few clips from the webcast akin to putting a song on a cassette tape (i.e. in a mix tape).

There's a benefit in doing it that way. Perhaps some of those folks may consider buying the webcast at next year's competition. A lot of media publications has been successful in what is known as "leaky paywalls" -- providing limited access to certain paid content for a short period of time but encouraging people to pay if they want an archive.

Also I notice a lot of the Korean television networks have stopped chasing people over YouTube videos and just went ahead and broadcast there as well.

Also, I was surprised that "mum's the word" links ended up on Tumbler and Twitter. You all are terrible at keeping secrets, LOL.

 

[ice coverage]

really?

That's like saying if someone uploads a song on youtube, each stream would cost $1.29.

If the uploader is not making any money, they are fine. The video will be gone from youtube. Nothing more.

You missed my point.