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It's so good to see Alex Johnson back in competition! 
2014 Nebelhorn Trophy
- Thread starter Alex D
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I like it the way Jason does, putting on the ice what he feels safe to manage. I wish more skaters would do it like him, taking it step by step, seeing the longer run. The performances looks so much better with no falls, stumbles or popped jumps.
Jason gets a bit too high PCS (compared to the others) for me, due to being a crowd pleaser. Right or wrong, but that's happened before in history and I'm not complaining that much.
Sorry for Menshov and Voronov... wanted them to do better. Don't remember exactly, but didn't they put their failed triple axels late in their programs?
Jason gets a bit too high PCS (compared to the others) for me, due to being a crowd pleaser. Right or wrong, but that's happened before in history and I'm not complaining that much.
Sorry for Menshov and Voronov... wanted them to do better. Don't remember exactly, but didn't they put their failed triple axels late in their programs?
They did that back in the early 2000's. It was called the "Top Jump" competition. It didn't catch on.
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Well, it's not about the quad. Going into competition and skate your best, get as many points as possible within your ability, that's normal when you want to win. If we want to limit the danger for skater, we need limitation rule from ISU (like onky 2 quads maximum for Lp). All the guys are just aiming at biggest score for themselves.
But of course, if other guys do better with more difficult jumps (and they land them), then no quad has less chance.
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So far, really enjoyed Jason (as I think we all did), but I was positively impressed artistically by both Russians... Let's see how our Italian-Russian does now
Elladj Balde was born in Russia. . . can he be our Canadian Russian?
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Alexander JOHNSON (USA)
Purple shirt w/ black details, black pants.
Music: Trio Elegiaque No. 2 in D minor by Sergei Rachmaninov
3A
3Lz - twofooted
CCSp
3F+2T - bit scratchy on flip
FSSp
StSq - maybe small balance loss
CCoSp3p
SP: 33.29/35.91 = 69.20 (PB), 6th (out of 11)
Purple shirt w/ black details, black pants.
Music: Trio Elegiaque No. 2 in D minor by Sergei Rachmaninov
3A
3Lz - twofooted
CCSp
3F+2T - bit scratchy on flip
FSSp
StSq - maybe small balance loss
CCoSp3p
SP: 33.29/35.91 = 69.20 (PB), 6th (out of 11)
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The biggest problem I had with Jason's program was the lack of speed, which I hope builds as he trains these programs more throughout the year. The one thing we can say is that Jason is a hard worker and has a good coach who gets him ready the right way for the big competitions. Unless he's nervous because the experience is new (Olympics) or the program is new (beginning of the season), he's VERY dependable that the next time WILL be better than the last time.
If he has a quad or doesn't, I honestly don't care. He's enjoyable to watch regardless. I hope he's doing it regularly in practice, and puts it in when he feels ready. Again, I know it's hard to draw conclusions about the quad based on his progress with the 3A, but if we can, it's that he can eventually get there (unless the quad is out of his reach.)
He will need a quad to compete for a world medal, but if he does his programs pristine, he's definitely final flight material.
If he has a quad or doesn't, I honestly don't care. He's enjoyable to watch regardless. I hope he's doing it regularly in practice, and puts it in when he feels ready. Again, I know it's hard to draw conclusions about the quad based on his progress with the 3A, but if we can, it's that he can eventually get there (unless the quad is out of his reach.)
He will need a quad to compete for a world medal, but if he does his programs pristine, he's definitely final flight material.
I think that proposal was about an official ISU thing.
It's so good to see Alex Johnson back in competition!
So what's the story? I can't remember seeing him before. He did a personal best here even with mistakes
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Paul FENTZ (GER)
Black toreador pants, suspenders, dark blue shirt, tie
Music: Barcelona 1999
4T - stepout
3A - fell crosslegged, maybe <
CCoSp3p
3T+3T
FCSp
CSSp
StSq
SP: 24.86/27.91-1.00 = 51.77 (PB), 9th (out of 12)
Black toreador pants, suspenders, dark blue shirt, tie
Music: Barcelona 1999
4T - stepout
3A - fell crosslegged, maybe <
CCoSp3p
3T+3T
FCSp
CSSp
StSq
SP: 24.86/27.91-1.00 = 51.77 (PB), 9th (out of 12)
No one needs any one thing to compete for a world medal. All they need is a high enough score. Browns PCS really makes he quad unnecessary. Like Chan wanted to do quads he never needed one.
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Well I don't know but I wonder if judges are willing to give out 90PCS for no quad in a long, though.
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I like Jason alright, but the last thing I want to see is another judges' darling like PChan (just when we got rid of him, for awhile at least). I also think his PCS is too high and I wasn't that crazy about this SP (I liked his program last year much more).
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So what's the story? I can't remember seeing him before. He did a personal best here even with mistakes
He competed at 2013 Nationals and skated an absolutely brilliant long program to Eleanor Rigby that ended up 5th in the FS and brought him to 7th overall. He earned his first international medal not long after. But he injured his ankle very badly last season (torn ligaments? IIRC) and had to sit out the entire season.
Here's his Eleanor Rigby at Nationals:
http://youtu.be/Y-1AI1fXdiE
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Ryuju HINO (JPN)
Black velvet costume, vest with red details
Music: Lunatico by Gotan Project
3A
3F+3T - maybe a !
FCSp
3Lo - tilted, fall
CCoSp3p
StSq - hard fall during steps, takes a while to get up
CSSp
He looks like his knee is in pain...
SP: 26.16/24.83-2.00 = 48.99, 11th (out of 13)
Black velvet costume, vest with red details
Music: Lunatico by Gotan Project
3A
3F+3T - maybe a !
FCSp
3Lo - tilted, fall
CCoSp3p
StSq - hard fall during steps, takes a while to get up
CSSp
He looks like his knee is in pain...
SP: 26.16/24.83-2.00 = 48.99, 11th (out of 13)
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I disagree. Hanyu and Fernandez are going to get all the PCS Jason does. Others are going to have enough PCS to where their technical elements will give them more points than Jason in total.
You may be right that nothing is in the rule book saying you NEED a quad, but let's stop feigning ignorance: A Quad is necessary with this field. A Quad will most certainly be necessary for future fields, too. Saying he doesn't need it to win a world medal is just not supported by the facts. Buttle and Lysacek were oddities of the system, and Weir only ever won one medal without a quad, and that was the down year in 08 when Buttle won (rightfully). You'll also remember that they only ever WON worlds when others were sloppy, and their Quadless programs were PRISTINE
Lysacek nearly lost in Vancouver to a Plushenko who could jump and not much else.
Edit: Also Chan never needed one? WHAT? He didn't start winning UNTIL his Quad was consistent enough. Also, that pre-2010 system didn't value Quads as high as they do now. Your assertion that Quads aren't necessary is wrong.
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Go Ivan!
