State of the U.S. Men's Figure Skating for 2014-15
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I can't believe he said it either. If he's anything less than gold or silver at Nationals, I hope the committee sends Joshua, Jason and Max. The USFS has to think of the future and if Jeremy is gold or silver, send him. Otherwise, leave any skater who wants to skate for themselves at home.
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I think what Jeremy meant to say was something like this. This season I just want to concentrate on presenting two beautiful and technically competitive programs every time out, without worrying about the pressure of the Olympic games and the burdens that other people put on me with regard to scores, medals and placements.
Amy Roswater writes a more extensive piece from Jeremy's teleconference: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/10/14/98409818
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I hope so. Some people are just not good at giving interviews. I hope he does well and can have a season where he feels he has reached his goals. --What are his goals I wonder? To make the GPF? To medal at Worlds?
EDIT: Thanks Mrs. P! You answered my question.
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Just because someone says he wants to skate for his country does not mean he will bring any glory. His goal would have been achieved when selected and when he skates at the event.
Goals are very important. President Kennedy announced a solid goal with time frame and it happened - An American walked on the moon 6 months before the time was up. Similarly, War On Drugs, War On Crimes, War On Terrorism (which is really War on Islam) are successful in being endless violence.
Jeremy has a specific goal for himself - to medal at Worlds (assuming he seriously means this season), knowing the competition and what he has to do. If he succeeds for himself, he would have succeeded for his country. As a selection criteria, I prefer this mindset to patriotic declarations.
Goals are very important. President Kennedy announced a solid goal with time frame and it happened - An American walked on the moon 6 months before the time was up. Similarly, War On Drugs, War On Crimes, War On Terrorism (which is really War on Islam) are successful in being endless violence.
Jeremy has a specific goal for himself - to medal at Worlds (assuming he seriously means this season), knowing the competition and what he has to do. If he succeeds for himself, he would have succeeded for his country. As a selection criteria, I prefer this mindset to patriotic declarations.
I think however, that not everyone feels/wants/needs to declare those goals out loud. While it's nice for fans and the media to know a skater's goals, not telling them is not really a detriment to the skater/coach as long as those goals are defined in some capacity.
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Uh, as much as I like Max, Jeremy's PCS potential was way higher than Max (even though I'd wager Max to have the more consistent skate). The reality is, Jeremy got it together at Nationals. It's the same reason Brown was sent over Aaron (which should be the real "argument" as to who was sent). Jeremy won Nationals with a quad in each program, and in everyone's eyes he earned his spot (especially with such strong competition from Brown/Aaron). As much as he ultimately bombed in Sochi, he's certainly not as controversial a pick as Takahashi or Plushenko being sent to Sochi.
Had Max gone to Sochi and bombed, we would be saying the exact thing about "Brown should have been sent" or "Abbott should have been sent".
Abbott's debut of short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4d9X2hYCw0
Somewhat falls flat for me, probably due to the music more than his skating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4d9X2hYCw0
Somewhat falls flat for me, probably due to the music more than his skating.
Really the Olympics/Nationals selection is all in the past so it's water under the bridge.
Jeremy does have a shot to get the world medal if he gets those quads basically.
His PB TES in the SP is 45.40 from the 2009 NHK Trophy and the TES FS is 82.56, which is from the time he won the GPF in 2008. If we want to look at last season, Jeremy's best TES in the SP 40.85 (Worlds 2014 SP) and FS was 80.52 (also at Worlds).
The final group at Worlds turned in TES ranging from 44.89 to 52.82 in the SP. In the FS, the top three FS (and medalists, ultimately) had TES ranging from 88.33 to 99.93.
However, Jeremy could get away with out a quad with a clean short -- Jason got in the final group at the Olympics with TES of 45.39 (PB TES in the SP 45.98). And then pull off a quad in the FS.
Jeremy does have a shot to get the world medal if he gets those quads basically.
His PB TES in the SP is 45.40 from the 2009 NHK Trophy and the TES FS is 82.56, which is from the time he won the GPF in 2008. If we want to look at last season, Jeremy's best TES in the SP 40.85 (Worlds 2014 SP) and FS was 80.52 (also at Worlds).
The final group at Worlds turned in TES ranging from 44.89 to 52.82 in the SP. In the FS, the top three FS (and medalists, ultimately) had TES ranging from 88.33 to 99.93.
However, Jeremy could get away with out a quad with a clean short -- Jason got in the final group at the Olympics with TES of 45.39 (PB TES in the SP 45.98). And then pull off a quad in the FS.
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The music doesn't work for me. Seems like an exhibition with a triple axel thrown in. I hope the judges take him seriously.
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I agree about the music. This could be the poster child for why skaters should not use vocals. For one thing, the acoustics are so bad in most ice arenas that no one can make out the words anyway.
As for the performance, I know Jeremy wants to do his own thing. But unfortunately his own thing is moping around like he wants to commit suicide. Come on, Jeremy, skate!
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No, I'm just sitting here laughing at the fact that you can't seem to get over Max not getting that Olympic spot because he didn't earn it. Your personal vendetta against Jeremy is just laughable and nothing more, pretty pathetic to be honest.
Whether anyone likes it or not, Jeremy earned his spot fair and square for the Olympic Games, and well crap happens that led to him not faring so well there. You should be happy that he got up from that terrible fall and continued. Most skaters would have left the rink in a ball of tears and shame and then you would have been there saying, wow what a REAL waste of an Olympic spot. Just let it go already, you can't control what happened at the Olympics and leading up to it.
Thanks for the link! I like the programme and the music did not disturb me as he interprets it so well.
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And had he said that most of us would be saying "attaboy Jeremy"
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Exactly. We don't know everybody's real goal though most of the time it comes out one way or another in their words. Stating it could strengthen it or it could invite negative reactions and influences. However, stating the contrary is detrimental.
I love Jeremy's Step Sequence in that SP but feel the program is unbalanced. Javi's LP too has empty spots. They all seem to try to get the big jumps out of the way before the fun can begin. In contrast, I didn't think of the official step sequence at all in Patrick's new LP because it seemed the whole program was filled with footwork. There was no gap.
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He does interpret the music well. To me, that's the problem. He interpreted this mopey-dopey, woe-is-me, how-can-I-bear-to-go-on-without-my-long-lost-love, I-will-just-curl-up-and-die (right after I do this triple Axel) music a little too well. Why can't he do the 1812 Overture instead?
It's not... unpleasant. But it gives off such "Oh, look at me, how artistic I am!" vibes.
I think that applied more to last season's SP. This one was too self-consciously mopey for me to even buy the act.He does interpret the music well. To me, that's the problem. He interpreted this mopey-dopey, woe-is-me, how-can-I-bear-to-go-on-without-my-long-lost-love, I-will-just-curl-up-and-die (right after I do this triple Axel) music a little too well. Why can't he do the 1812 Overture instead?
I guess it's a matter of taste.
I see a clean, stripped down skate with less over the top choreo than usual in a short. I think it suits him. Except for the step sequence it seems classic and focused on flow rather than phoney interpretation. He doesn't look like he's putting on-he looks authentic-as he should because he choreographed it.
I hated the music at first- but after a few watches, I started to like it.
(and I like that the footwork matches the music-something rare these days)
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I agree with you. It's pure skating and the edgework and footwork sequence are going to be phenomenal when he has them perfected. It's not this "let's try to pass off subpar movement" for footwork etc.
Jeremy is way above and beyond many of the men when it comes to pure skating basics, musicality, and edgework/footwork. And I think that's one of the reasons I appreciate his skating so much. It's not all about the razzle dazzle and quad fest.
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