Which skaters benefit from the removal of a jump in the free skate?
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Very few skaters are at all creative with spins. I hope that two or three may try something interesting with the choreo spin.
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Also, is it a combo jump or a solo jump being removed?
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it's a combo. Only two combos are allowed now.
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I´m more interested to know how it´s going to affect technical minimums. Wouldn´t they need to lower the combined TES if the there is one less jump combo in the free? And then it would cause an issue with peoples TES from last season - if they lower the TES then they can´t use last season TES for the new TES when there is one less jumping pass. So then will everyone need to get the new TES in the new season, or will they allow that skaters who have the minimums from last season can still use it in the new season, and then those who don´t have it will need to get it under the new system?
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I don't know but either way will work out just fine.
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That's an interesting question.
I think that if they want to keep the CTES from last season, they will need to make a rule with two options.
Like exemple they will need to accept everyone who gain 88.00 CTES in the last season for Women and for the new season accept everyone who gain 84.00 CTES for women.
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I'm disappointed that they're only allowing two combos because skaters have been doing three combos since the '90s.
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Now, Basic Novice Skaters (often younger than 10, although they're allowed until 13 I think) have five Jump passes with two Combinations of two Jumps, in 2min30. At the other end, Senior Skaters will have six Jump passes, also two only in Combination (one with three Jumps; and an additional Spin, and a Choreographic Sequence). Isn't it strange?
Also, I didn't see it much discussed, but factually the length limit has been shortened again by 10s with the switch from +-20s to +-10s, so in a few years, Senior Men Free Skates have lost 40s in duration, that is 1/7th of their previous length.
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It's not that strange. Figure skating is more than just the elements. Skating 4 minutes requires excellent cardiovascular capacities which is not yet fully developed at 10 years old. Senior skaters are also supposed to include transitional content which is very minimal for the kids. I wouldn't even compare the two. They are different animals altogether. Also, the logic behind the kids doing 5 jumping passes is that they can include all types of jumps in their program, even if it's less rotations, they are learning all of them. So the purpose here is not the same.
They're not doing quads or triple-triple combinations, or any triples at all or even necessarily double axels, for the most part. So the amount of time needed to set up the jumps they are doing is lower than for the bigger jumps the seniors are doing.
Before the 1990s, seniors often used to do a lot more jumping passes than IJS allows. Especially when the men's free skate was 5 minutes long (until 1980 IIRC). But most of those jumps were doubles. And a lot of them were repeats. The Zayak rule wasn't only about Elaine Zayak after all -- she may have been the only one to do five triple toes in a program, but there were plenty of other skaters at the time doing three or four of them.
What has been changed that you're referring to here? Several years ago the men's free skate was shortened from 4:30 to 4:00. But the leeway has always been +/- 10 seconds, not +/- 20.
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Another question, will it be 3/3 in that only 3 jumps max are allowed in the 2nd half of the program?
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I am watching Canadian summer events right now, already using the new rules and the answer would be yes. However, from the score sheets, it seems also that they are not all adjusted because many didn't manage to put their 3 jumps in the last half, so a lot of them do not get the bonus. It will be a work in progress to fix the elements for them, especially with old programs.
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Today, in theory a Skater can backload as many Jumps as they want, only the incentive has been limited?
Would backloading be formally prohibited in the future?
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Anyone can do whatever they want with their jumping layout. The Code of point will give 10 percent bonus to the first three jumping passes (and usually they are the last three as well) at the halfway mark. I am not sure what you are saying, that's been the rule since 2015.
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This. Reading @cheerknithanson 's post made me wonder if it could change in the future, for which I wouldn't see any need, as very few Junior or Senior Skaters if any, backload more than the number of Jumps incentivised.
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I think it's best not to worry about rules that could hypothetically come later at this point. There is enough adjusting with the current rule changes
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Sorry, I wasn't clear; I meant that I feared that the change just decided at the ISU Congress included such provision.
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It will hopefully help the viewers as there is now more time to spread out the jumps and maybe do something more interesting with the choreo.
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