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Maya Usova interview

Ptichka

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Every time I run into Maya Usova at competitions after this outstanding skater has left the sport, I think that I hardly know of a harder fate. Spending 20 years in the sport, winning the European and World championships before the Lillehammer Games of 1994, and then losing the big one. And where? In ice dancing! It’s the sport, where in those times the line to the podium lasted years and Maya with her partner and husband Alexander Zhulin dutifully stayed there ‘till the end.

It was two years prior to those Games that Usova had a personal tragedy. Her family practically fell apart, and all that remained of the once warm on trusting relationship was a piece of paper. However, they had nowhere to go. They had to keep pretending that everything was in order.

Then, she was alone for a long time. She was sick, fighting depressions… The only bright spot was her short period of professional skating with Evgeny Platov. After skating together for a few months, the dancers even managed to with the professional world championships. Yet the sport soon ended, and Usova remained the US. At the time, I thought it was for good. Then, suddenly, she called, “I am in Moscow. I got married. I work at the rink.”

A year later, we met up at the Odintsevo rink.




LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT


Maya, I’ll be honest. If someone asked me to list the coaches who work in America but could potentially come back to Russia, your name would be the last. If I wrote it down at all. Yet you came back. Why?

If you recall, when Moscow hosted World championships in 2005, the Russian figure skating federation quite unexpectedly invited all of its former champions to attend. I wasn’t planning on going. My life was by then very quiet and routine. I had mom, house, dog, and rink. On the ice, and worked with the very little kids, and enjoyed it greatly. It’s such a rewarding work! I’ve said many times that without figure skating, I’d become a day care teacher.

In any case, I really didn’t want to go anywhere. For one think, my shoulder hurt a lot, causing nausea and dizziness. Yet mom insisted that I went to Moscow. According to her reasoning, I had to go at the very least to remind the fans of my existence.

I argued that figure skating is well in my past, but she forced me to accept the invitation nonetheless.

Then on the second day of the Moscow competition, I saw the Russian team doctor Victor Anikanov. I told him of my pains and asked him to arrange a consultation with a specialist, because I just couldn’t handle the pain any longer. Right there at the stadium, Anikanov introduced me to Anatoly Orletsky, my current husband.

Orletsky has worked with the various teams for years. It’s hard to believe you never met before?

I was never injured, even bit. Correspondingly, I had no reason to seek doctors. I guess this was fate. When Orletsky started examining me, he lifted my hand three times, and I fainted from the pain. That was the beginning. Later on, I tried to grill my husband as to what made him notice me. Tolya said I had incredibly sad eyes.

What about your shoulder?

It required surgery, but this is the kind of procedure that’s not yet done in Russia. Therefore, I just go through therapeutic procedures. As it turned out, the problem is not in the joint, but in a hematoma that has formed under the collarbone. I only have one theory about this injury. When I started skating professionally with Zhenya Platov, we obviously practiced in America. Rinks there are very cold. One time, we were working on a spin, where Zhenya spun me holding me by the leg. From the cold, his fingers suddenly let go. I, obviously, flew to the side, fell quite hard, but did not even understand how exactly I fell. There was no pain, I just couldn’t breathe momentarily. I guess that’s when this injury occurred.

LOOK TO THE PAST

After you and Alexander Zhulin finished skating as amateurs, I often thought that your career was very cruel, so to speak. You worked toward that Olympic gold medal for so long, you sacrificed so much to it – and then you lost. How do you look at it?

I certainly don’t consider it senseless. I’ve been thinking lately about how everything the person goes through is predetermined from above. Sasha and I are still remembered, loved, and I am often reassured that in many people’s thinking our sports rating is far higher than some of those have become Olympic champions. The only mistake, and it is purely my mistake, was remaining with my partner after our family fell apart. It could have all been different then…

What do you mean?

My career. I should not have held on to my relationship with Zhulin. I should have partnered with Platov there and then. At one time, our coach Natalya Dubova threw Oksana Gritschuk out of her group precisely for personal reasons. Dubova really loved me, and wanted to thus clear my and Zhulin’s path to medals, so to speak. I just didn’t find the strength to tell my coach that it wasn’t about Gritschuk, but about the relationship that has become unbearable for me. However, after what Dubova did, I just couldn’t stab her in the back by quitting the team. Had I done it, though, it is entirely possible that Platov and I could have had our results in the amateur sport, not in the professional which we ultimately did.

Do you mean that personal relationships between partners make both weaker?

That’s how it was in my case, one hundred percent. Work was complicated by thousands of problems of all sorts, which greatly clouded my judgment.

In later years, I’ve had the impression that you’ve been so badly hit by your family life experience, that you’ll never dare create a family again. Turns out all you were waiting for was to come to Moscow and fall in love at first sight?


Seems that way, yes. When I got back to America from the Moscow championship and told mom all about it, she was just delighted that she convinced me to go.

Surely, though, it wasn’t easy to take the leap and move to Moscow?


In reality, I still cannot say that I moved. We have a house in each place. I can’t leave my mom all alone. I also can’t move her to Russia. In part, it’s because there is also a dog, which I brought to America 13 and a half years ago as a tiny puppy. At this age, the animal may simply not withstand the flight. So mom and I decided not to risk it. Our dog is almost like a child to us.

When you started working at the Odintsevo rink, was that for fun or for the need to earn your living?

I’ve always earned my living. I am used to always relying on myself, as well as to be responsible to those who are dependent on me. Therefore, I still can’t get used to the idea that I could just not work at all.

I’ve heard that those who lived through the toughest economic times in Russia after the collapse of USSR are still not too keep on those who are only now coming back.

You know, I only now understand what it was like for those who didn’t leave. They’re real heroes. It was them who, despite all difficulties, have raised today’s Russian skaters. Honestly, I’ll never understand the coaches who only come to Russia to pick out and take away the most talented athletes. This takes them away from those who’ve put years into developing the skater and getting them onto the elite level. I consider this a betrayal. Perhaps I’m wrong, but that’s how I feel.

You’ve touched on a very difficult and painful issue, very much intertwined with personal relationships among other things. I guess from a human point of view, leaving a coach is, indeed, a betrayal. However, there is also a sport component. How can one hold on to a student when that student feels there is nothing more he can learn from this coach? Can you really condemn the athlete for this?

I don’t know. I, though, do think so.

It’s fascinating, really. I’ve spent many years working with Tatiana Tarasova. She often took on others’ skaters.


I’ve never condemned Tarasova. I saw that she only took on those who absolutely goal-oriented. And that she made them achieve those goals, whatever the costs. And she did quite fast, too.

ONE HUNDRED AMONG THE TWO
After you finished up skating, you did not remain in the big sport with Tarasova. Was that your wish, or did the circumstances conspire that way?


It was my decision. You see, figure skating has some very unique female coaches – Tamara Moskvina, Tarasova, Elena Tchaikovskaya, and others. I truly admire them, but cannot even imagine what kind of inner strength one needs to achieve such results. It’s very hard. Perhaps, I just realized in time that I don’t have that strength of character. Working with Tarasova was hard on me, though I often work with Platov now.

Throughout the whole time we skated together, we never had any conflicts. Having a reliable partner is so great! Last year, when I came to America after an eight-month break, I called Zhenya to see if he could offer me a chance to work with some really little kids at his rink. My old ones were all with other trainers now. He immediately said, “Come over, we’ll figure something out”. We’ve worked together when I am in America ever since.

So you spend a lot of time across the Atlantic?

I usually come to America in the summer. It’s very convenient – the house in close to the rink, so I can make some money. I am, after all, used to self reliance. I am just not yet ready to sit at home and do nothing.

But you can make money in Russia, too. Take the TV ice projects, for instance.


Television and I didn’t mesh. Back when I skated with Ivar Kalnynysh in the first ice project of the “Russia” channel, I was once invited to speak on Vladimir Molchanov’s show. Among other things, I asked me how fair the ice shows were. I didn’t hold back, and said everything I thought about it.

And what was that?

I asked Molchanov – is it fair when some partners’ ages add up to 50 years, whereas others’ add up to 100? How can you compare, when I am 45 and my partner is 58, whereas some of those we compete against are barely out of their teens? We had a clear contract that said that the star partner couldn’t be older than 45. In one program, I thought of putting my partner on one knee while I’d skate around and play with this situation. However, after just the second practice Ivar told me that this was too painful on his knee.

I understand everything. You can’t escape your age. We, however, are athletes. For us, it is humiliating and unacceptable to look ridiculous on the ice.

There was also something else that hurt a lot. I always thought that partners, whoever they are, are a team. My husband and I even went to Riga when Kalnynysh was shooting there and had no other way to practice. However, I was the last to find out when he decided to quit the project. I was getting ready for a shooting when I got the call that our pair was no more.

One again, things do happen. Take, for instance, Sergei Selinin’s injury. He came to the shooting, asked to hold off the beginning a bit, brought a huge bouquet from the make-up room, went down on one knee before Oksana Kazakova in front of everybody, and just said, “Forgive me”. That, in my opinion, is what a real man does.

After what I said, the project’s leaders asked me politely to refrain from commenting again, and promised that I could select the parted myself next time. However, they just never invited me again.

ICE FROM THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE
You now work at the rink where Oksana Domnina and Maxim Shabalin grew up. I am sure you follow the Europeans closely. In your opinion, should Maxim have risked it last year by beginning to train just 9 days after his knee surgery just to win the European title? How did you husband, who conducted that surgery, feel about watching the performance and understanding that his surgical work would likely go to waste because the rehabilitation period wasn’t observed?


It’s a hard question. On the one hand, you’ve got to admire Shabalin. I can’t even fathom how he found the strength to not only get on his skates, but to win such an important competition. It’s unprecedented. My husband, obviously, said such heroics won’t lead to anything good, and that he should have waited.

I’ve observed Domnina and Shabalin for a while. I look at them as someone who has spent many years in ice dancing, and can see a lot more that the average viewers. I like to observe how well Alexei Gorshkov, Oksana and Maxim’s coach before they moved to America, put together their programs to hide their faults. Covering up the athletes’ weaknesses is a gigantic feat, especially if you can even hide them from the professionals.

I don’t know if it’s the injury or the coach change, but those weaknesses are now so obvious it’s painful. Perhaps it will go away once the leg is healed. That, however, is a long process. What happened there was that the joint that was operated on was weakened; causing more strain on the other join, and it’s the latter that is the problem now. Most likely, he does need to wait to let the leg recover fully. Yet time moves on, and future is unclear. Turns out Domnina and Shabalin were right in their decision to will last year’s championship at any cost. It’s possible I would have done the same thing.

What are your thoughts on ice dancing today? Do you follow it?


Ever since I decided to become a certified technical specialist – yes. I don’t know why, but I suddenly thought of getting back into elite figure skating. I still can’t explain it. I guess it’s because of what I saw, that most technical specialists are Canadians and Americans. Until recently, there was only one of ours, Sergei Ponomarenko. I thought this was wrong, I guess. You can always see that even technical specialists have their biases. The fact that such a judge receives practically no compensation only exacerbates the problem. I think that if those people had a solid salary, they would at a minim fear losing it.

Do you like that work?

Honestly, I’m not sure yet. If I didn’t have a husband that makes me feel safe and protected in every way, I wouldn’t be doing it. I wouldn’t live in Russia, either. What’s more, over the last two years I’ve acquired quite a few enemies because of my work. Some Russian coaches just expect that I must automatically give their athletes high levels. But I can’t do that when the stuff isn’t there. Sometimes, though, they just don’t understand.

On the other hand, until I became a technical specialist, I very much disliked the new rules. Now that I see dancing from the other side, I am beginning to change my mind. I like that everything is clearly delineated, and that each element has a specific value. I like that this has removed the threat of exclusion from the Olympic program. This is now a true sport. Of course, this has come at the expense of artistry. Only the top five or six teams can afford to invest seriously in it. The rest compete on technique alone. Correspondingly, there is less variety. In all, though, the skating level has risen a lot. That’s undeniable.

Are you happy?

Yes. I am very grateful that fate put to together with someone I love without measure. It is true happiness for a woman to feel that there is next to you a back you can always hide behind. It’s too bad that it all happened so late, though. I am still hopeful, though, that I perhaps have a little bit of time left to become a mom.
 

Ptichka

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Once thing struck me as I was reading this interview - the incredible amount of Russian pairs/ ice dance female skaters who have had personal difficulties, depressions, loneliness, and who end up relying on their moms as a sole source of comfort. This contrasts with Russian male skaters, who have generally done much better personally. So I'm thinking - is this specific to Russia? Is it that the strain of constant practices deprives those women of skills that are essential later on in life? Any thoughts?
 

sillylionlove

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Thanks for the translation. I really like Maia and I am glad to her that she is still very involved in skating!! It was a great interview.
 

ManyCairns

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Once thing struck me as I was reading this interview - the incredible amount of Russian pairs/ ice dance female skaters who have had personal difficulties, depressions, loneliness, and who end up relying on their moms as a sole source of comfort. This contrasts with Russian male skaters, who have generally done much better personally. So I'm thinking - is this specific to Russia? Is it that the strain of constant practices deprives those women of skills that are essential later on in life? Any thoughts?

As a non-Russian, that's hard for me to speculate on, (but of course I'll try;), do the male skaters get a lot of popularity that gives them plenty of outlets and opportunities once their skating days are over? Is the training very socially isolative, which might be harder for women than for men? Are there lots of gender roles still at play in Russia (I have no idea at all), or were there when Usova was a competitor, such that the women were throughout their careers supposed to just do what the coaches and male partners wanted without getting to assert themselves at all, so that it was hard to develop a strong sense of self?

Or are the women just speaking up now and the men don't?!~ That's a very sad observation, any way you look at it.




Once again I'm struck by the nice length to the interviews in the Russian press, compared to the short sound bites of the U.S. Also, Usova was refreshingly frank, even though, as she herself pointed out, her frankness has gotten her in trouble in the past, such as when she openly pointed out that promises hadn't been kept re: the Russian version of Skating with the Stars.

I can never remember the exact permutations of who was legally with whom, who was sleeping with whom, who later ended up together, etc. from those days. It was an "inbred" group, wasn't it?
 

missysays

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Once thing struck me as I was reading this interview - the incredible amount of Russian pairs/ ice dance female skaters who have had personal difficulties, depressions, loneliness, and who end up relying on their moms as a sole source of comfort. This contrasts with Russian male skaters, who have generally done much better personally. So I'm thinking - is this specific to Russia? Is it that the strain of constant practices deprives those women of skills that are essential later on in life? Any thoughts?

I think one of the things that strikes me is that these Russian pair or ice dance female skaters don't have the training to do anything else once their amateur competitive days are over. Even someone like Katya Gordeeva who has had some of the best opportunities afforded to a Russian female skater has commented that she feels the lack of education/knowledge/business sense very much and even though she had opportunities with SOI and commercial endorsements that she wasn't in control of her post-amateur career that her jobs were dependent on what she was offered not what she could get for herself.

I can only guess that someone like Maia who did not have an Olympic gold medal to her name and was not an international media darling though she was well known in the figure skating world would have double the doubts and lack of self-confidence to pursue opportunities for herself. It would take a very strong and independent minded woman to carve out a separate niche for herself- look at Marina Zoueva for example it took guts to move herself to Canada and then the US to pursue choreography and coaching jobs even though she was "known" as Gordeeva and Grinkov's choreographer/coach. Even now, she has had to "partner" with a man (Igor) to get to the successful point she has in her coaching career.

That lack of education in how to live a "real life" is reflected in many both Russian and non-Russian skaters lives post- competitive career (and I'm not necessarily talking about schooling but the ability to take care of yourself- pay your bills, find healthy relationships, etc). I mean even the "successful" ones sometimes struggle-- look at Dorothy Hamill. It's a rare case for someone to be as happy or well-adjusted as Kristi Yamaguchi, Scott Hamilton, or Peggy Fleming. Skaters tend to spend their young years developing their skating and not their ability to have a life after skating. Only the lucky ones who have strong or wise support systems around them make that transition well.
 

herios

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Once thing struck me as I was reading this interview - the incredible amount of Russian pairs/ ice dance female skaters who have had personal difficulties, depressions, loneliness, and who end up relying on their moms as a sole source of comfort. This contrasts with Russian male skaters, who have generally done much better personally. So I'm thinking - is this specific to Russia? Is it that the strain of constant practices deprives those women of skills that are essential later on in life? Any thoughts?

First and foremost, thank-you very much for the translation of all your articles, always very interesting to uncover aspects of skating not scrutinized in the international media.
This one in particular I enjoyed as a long-time skate fan since the 70's.
Ice dance was always my favourite and Maia's career has been well scrutinized by the american media, because they like the "soap" operas:)
She has more than one reasons to have been struggling to stand on her feet, She seems to be a very sensitive person, adding to that her personal issues, which left her with slowly heaing wounds. All these just aggravated the major liability of those who grew up in the eastern block, the ability to take care of yourself, over there the system was controlling to a certain degree your destiny, based on your school backgrounnd ( being raised and lived in that system for more than 30 years of my life, although not Russia).
I am very content to see her at a point in her life, where she found balance and happiness.
 
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soogar

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Dec 18, 2003
Once thing struck me as I was reading this interview - the incredible amount of Russian pairs/ ice dance female skaters who have had personal difficulties, depressions, loneliness, and who end up relying on their moms as a sole source of comfort. This contrasts with Russian male skaters, who have generally done much better personally. So I'm thinking - is this specific to Russia? Is it that the strain of constant practices deprives those women of skills that are essential later on in life? Any thoughts?

Russian males dying at an earlier age often leaves the mother as the sole support. This interview reminds me of earlier interviews with Ilia Klimkin- with his mom as his only friend and source of financial support. Even in Plush's interviews, it sounds as if his mother is his rock.

I feel as if Maya suffered the most over the years. I think she was truly in love with Zhulin and the divorce must have crushed her. I can't imagine how painful it was to continue competing with a partner who had moved on with his life. I think she might have been successful with Platov had she skated with him as an amateur.. she and Zhulin were a magical couple however they lost some of their magic after the end of their marriage.

I am very happy to hear that she has found love again and is happy in her life.
 

Dodhiyel

Final Flight
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Dec 13, 2003
Many thanks, Ptichka! :)

I was a fan of Usova-Zhulin, and then, after the changes, came the beauty of the "Moonlight Sonata" programme done by Usova-Platov in the world professional competition. Who could forget that?

I am very glad to read that Maya is happily married now, and I hope that her wish to become a mom comes true. :)
 

jcoates

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Mar 3, 2006
Skaters tend to spend their young years developing their skating and not their ability to have a life after skating. Only the lucky ones who have strong or wise support systems around them make that transition well.

Good point. I think this is why Dick Button spent decades advising young skaters not to abandon their educations while training. He certainly had a rich and varied career outside of skating (attorney, businessman, television producer). It's nice to see others following that example, even if it means seeing less of them in ice shows when they are done competing.
 
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