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Jason Brown = awesome.
Also, btw, I expressly want to apologize for borrowing Mrs. P's word "inferior" to describe the challenges Oda faces re musicality and artistry. It actually isn't really fair to term a skater "inferior" especially not at this level. So, no Mrs. P, I don't agree with you that the judges consider Oda "inferior to the top skaters." In fact, the judges obviously are blown away by Oda's jumping ability and have a tendency IMHO to sometimes overscore him on some areas of PCS where he can definitely make more improvements.
Now you're picking on my vocabulary?! Oh geez.
I (and others) get your point, do you really need to need to pick apart my posts to make your point?! :no:
No, no. I simply did not want to describe any skater as "inferior." And I expressed my apology for happening to borrow such a description. Not trying to put you down. Sorry you see it that way.
It's semantics and can be seen as such. I was surprised that you said you felt the judges considered his skills inferior to other top skaters. I don't think they do because when he skates clean, his PCS are generally high. I'm sure they don't think he's as strong in some aspects, but anyone who is able to score above 85 consistently is not being looked on as inferior IMHO.
You could have fooled me.
Again, I don't agree with you that the judges are dazzled by Oda's jumping ability that he gets these sparkling PCS scores. He tends to score better in TES than PCS.
If you're going to ask people to acknowledge your opinion, the least you can do is not pooh off others.
Like I added to my previous post, it's semantics. And again, I was correcting my reference (even though I borrowed it from you). No biggie in any case and I did apologize, but I guess that makes no difference to you. Again, semantically speaking, I didn't say Oda's PCS scores are "sparkling," just IMO often over-rated.
As a matter of fact, when I state how I feel, sometimes others who disagree tend to exaggerate or jump to conclusions (but yeah that often happens on skating boards). I try to be thoughtful and fair, but yes also blunt and straightforward, which apparently some people find irksome. In any case, I don't ask people to acknowledge my opinions or agree with my opinions. I simply state them without the expectation that everyone else has to have the same perceptions. That's impossible. I don't "pooh off" others opinions. I simply state my own and when challenged, I respond to further clarify my impressions. If some feel "poohed off," oh well. It's figure skating and no one is going to ever agree with each other all of the time. No matter what I say, it seems someone is likely to feel "poohed-off." That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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For the record, Oda has scored 85+ just once this season, at Nebelhorn Trophy. And he did not score high PCS there even though his TES was far and above the rest of the competition. His PCS was 38.
Compare that to Yuzuru, who had completely missed his 3A at Finlandia. He scored 42.
At Skate Canada, Nobunari scored 80 overall and scored 38 again in PCS, which below Yuzuru (40) and Patrick (44). Jeremy also scored better than Nobu in PCS as well for an error-ridden program (39)
At Skate Canada last year, Nobunari got 37 in PCS, below Patrick (42) who was not and Javier (39) who was.
So please cite an example where Nobunari gets this super awesome PCS....
Hey thanks for the numbers corrections. When I've looked at Oda's PCS in specific categories at specific events vs some other skaters, yes I feel that Oda is often overly scored on transitions, choreography, and interpretation. No biggie and you are right that Oda was not at TEB so this might be more appropriate to be addressed in a general discussion either about the men or the scoring. Again, I have issues in general with the scoring system, so I find the numbers too often from event to event are inconsistent and in my opinion, ultimately not very meaningful. Others who grew up with the sport under the new system or who are infatuated with examining the numbers will differ in their views. It's all relative.
Despite the fact the 6.0 was a flawed system, I feel the sport should have tried harder to work on the problems with that scoring system without throwing out their 6.0 brand completely. Apparently in order to add more excitement and punch to the numbers and to try and make them more meaningful, the ISU instituted the "personal best" descriptor and have now been experimenting with having the lead tech score superimposed on the screen as each skater goes through their elements. Maybe that's exciting and adds some tension and flavor to the proceedings for some fans, but I find the numbers box a bit distracting while trying to enjoy a skater's performance. Oh well.
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And in fact, I had given up on the discussion until you apologized for borrowing my "improper use" of the word inferior regarding Oda. Given that that ship (of discussing Oda's PCS) had sailed a few pages ago, I'm not sure why you felt so compelled to point it out all of a sudden.
Yep, nothing I can do aside from apologizing for your taking offense. I would have addressed it immediately a few pages back but I stepped away for a few hours. The word stayed on my mind and I felt the need to make a correction. Why take it personally?
Jason Brown = awesome.
Jason Brown - British Eurosport (With Sound) - added to video list
LOVE LOVE LOVE Jason Brown! and I am over the moon that the international judges are recognizing his quality. I think he should have been much more ahead of Han than he is.
and SweetSkates- another male skater we both love!
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Mrs P., your desire to send Jason to Sochi so he can do the short in the Team Event is getting further validation!
I so wish we had 3 spots so Jason, Adam, and Jeremy could all go!
I believe that others pointed out that idea, not me! That said. I would love Jason to go to Sochi and he's making a good case of it now.
Of course, there are two programs...so he's hoping for a successful FS tomorrow!