Zagitova pockets gold at GPF debut

Tutto said:

I am trying hard to like Alina she is such a beautiful girl and a fierce competitor but those half over boots tights are killing me. I was amused to read in a recent interview that Eteri is very strict as regards to her skaters' appearance not only in competitions but in practice -all girls have to have their hair and nails done every day , and even to wear fingerless gloves so the the latter to be seen to all. Apparently nobody told Eteri that shoes either can make or break a lady's outfit - what a pity... imagining these 'hooves' on Oly podium...

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pearly said:

As for the tights, I quite like them. They make the leg look longer without the old fashioned over the boot look.

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MaiKatze said:

But that doesn't make much sense. If Tudberidze really wanted to hold Alina back behind Evgenia, she should've given her an easier program with more jumps in the first half. Her highest LP score this season is higher than Evgenia's. This could've been easily avoided if she had an easier program. Her doing this extremely hard program is possible because of her youth. She's lucky her debut season is the Olympics season, she can win on TES. Who knows if that will still be possible for her at 16? 17?

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chuckm said:

Polina T. doesn't need help to make her legs look longer, yet she has horse hooves, too.

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pearly said:

It is what it is. In a few years there'll be a now style. Perhaps beige skates will make a comeback.

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Sam-Skwantch said:

Very rarely do I prefer the classic look that shows the whole boot but meh...whatevs. I kinda hope the next trend will be colorful laces. That will drive people nuts.

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Blades of Passion said:

Underrotations have nothing to do with a program being masterful or not.

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David21 said:

Wrong and wrong. Jumps are part of the program and when your jumps are heavily flawed then the program cannot be masterful.

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David21 said:

I didn't say that her ur's affect her PCS.

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David21 said:

As for the PCS: Her musicality and fluidity is good but she cannot compete with Osmond's and Kostner's speed and ice coverage, hence their better PCS.

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jenaj said:

For scoring purposes, the rotation isn't measured from where the skater leaves the ice. The pre-rotation issue has been discussed ad nauseum on another thread so I won't repeat it.

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Blades of Passion said:

That is EXACTLY what you just said in response to what I wrote. If we are talking about "the program" then we are talking about the PCS. Yes, jump flaws can negatively impact a program, but an underrotated jump is something that visually and emotionally may have no impact. It's more likely that some other kind of unsteadiness or lack of amplitude or flow in an underrotated jump is what causes a feeling of something interfering with the presentation, the underrotation itself may be irrelevant.



The speed and ice coverage of Osmond and Kostner are vastly overstated. Speed and ice coverage are hardly the only thing to skating skills anyway. Miyahara has better skating skills than Osmond. She's able to use her blades in ways Osmond can NOT. It's very apparent in their footwork sequences too.



There is nothing in the rules that says pre-rotation isn't measured. Each individual tech caller can make whatever they call want in that regard. They have to decide somewhere at what point the jump starts and this can vary greatly from person to person in how they want to see it. On any edge jump especially, exactly where do you call the jump as starting, since the blade is constantly curving during the takeoff (logically it should be when the skater has actually left the ice)? There is no rule ANYWHERE, nor in the technical specialist training, that gets into these specifics. Zagitova's 3Toe jump was underrotated regardless of any issue of pre-rotation though. If it's considered that a toe jump is measured from the direction of the blade at the moment the toepick foot goes into the ice (although this is a flawed and incorrect method of judging), then Zagitova's 3Toe was short.

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Blades of Passion said:

That is EXACTLY what you just said in response to what I wrote. If we are talking about "the program" then we are talking about the PCS. Yes, jump flaws can negatively impact a program, but an underrotated jump is something that visually and emotionally may have no impact. It's more likely that some other kind of unsteadiness or lack of amplitude or flow in an underrotated jump is what causes a feeling of something interfering with the presentation, the underrotation itself may be irrelevant.

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Blades of Passion said:

That is EXACTLY what you just said in response to what I wrote. If we are talking about "the program" then we are talking about the PCS. Yes, jump flaws can negatively impact a program, but an underrotated jump is something that visually and emotionally may have no impact. It's more likely that some other kind of unsteadiness or lack of amplitude or flow in an underrotated jump is what causes a feeling of something interfering with the presentation, the underrotation itself may be irrelevant.



The speed and ice coverage of Osmond and Kostner are vastly overstated. Speed and ice coverage are hardly the only thing to skating skills anyway. Miyahara has better skating skills than Osmond. She's able to use her blades in ways Osmond can NOT. It's very apparent in their footwork sequences too.



There is nothing in the rules that says pre-rotation isn't measured. Each individual tech caller can make whatever they call want in that regard. They have to decide somewhere at what point the jump starts and this can vary greatly from person to person in how they want to see it. On any edge jump especially, exactly where do you call the jump as starting, since the blade is constantly curving during the takeoff (logically it should be when the skater has actually left the ice)? There is no rule ANYWHERE, nor in the technical specialist training, that gets into these specifics. Zagitova's 3Toe jump was underrotated regardless of any issue of pre-rotation though. If it's considered that a toe jump is measured from the direction of the blade at the moment the toepick foot goes into the ice (although this is a flawed and incorrect method of judging), then Zagitova's 3Toe was short.

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jenaj said:

You are wrong.

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AshWagsFan said:

Not really. Everyone overlooks Zagitova and Medvedeva’s cheated jumps (even the judges). Just watch this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DxJFjJ12DyY

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Spirals for Miles said:

I absolutely agree with your first two points

Whether I agree with your last point or not, does it really make a difference to go out and rehash this all anyway? She would've still won, and even if she hadn't, the event is all said and done.

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AshWagsFan said:

Not really. Everyone overlooks Zagitova and Medvedeva’s cheated jumps (even the judges). Just watch this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DxJFjJ12DyY

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Blades of Passion said:

If problems are not talked about then they continue to repeat. Zagitova would not have won, if her two underrotations had been called and if the judges scored her PCS with this in mind (since PCS are so much about reputation and right now Zagitova benefits from being perceived as someone who doesn't have technique flaws). Sotskova would have won the event with her two clean performances.

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alvina9894 said:

I know Zhenya has a flutz, but I never knew her pre-rotations are as bad as Sakato's...?

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madison said:

Sotskova has underrotations problems... She is usually called for that. Not now.
And she wasn't flawless at GPF, her landings were pretty shaky. That was visible even for my untrained eye.

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