If steps are visibly incorrect then im sure it would be reflected in GOE. But if judges can hardly see if that one edge on the turn/steps in one key point of the whole pattern was deep enough to satisfy levels, why that should be reflected in their GOE? Does that one detail should weight that much comparing to all the other things skaters do? I think the poster was trying to say (and what was the judges feedback) that how the whole pattern is skated is more important than one key point which is just a part of it...
The overall look does matter and while one slipped edge in a footwork sequence can drop a level, I agree that it shouldn't decimate the GOE. However, this does not apply to pattern dances in my opinion, or to footwork sequences where there are multiple flat edges or shaky turns. Pattern dances are designed to be technical and have specific features built into them. If you can't skate the feature technically correct, then it should hurt your GOE. I don't care how well you sell your mohawk in the Rumba as a chactaw. If you can't do a chactaw, then you should be losing significant GOE and level no matter how pretty.
In a free dance, I have less of an issue with judges favouring the overall picture, however, weak skating skills should be penalized, no matter how pretty the skaters make it look.
This is a fresh and interesting example for our debate. Stepanova/Bukin twizzles at Finlandia in RD got level 1 but better GOE (4 across the board!) comparing to their level 4 twizzles in FD who got lower GOE. I know originality/creativity is a double feature now and judges probably award their twizzles in RD with that, but still their twizzles in FD are skated technically even 3 levels better... (their total score for level 4 twizzles is still higher tho)...
One competition did an overhead camera shot of S/B's "twizzles," and I was shocked (I am not exaggerating) and how LITTLE coverage they got. They're often borderline pirouettes, especially the shoot-the-ducks ones. How they get a level 4 is A Big Mystery to me.
One competition did an overhead camera shot of S/B's "twizzles," and I was shocked (I am not exaggerating) and how LITTLE coverage they got. They're often borderline pirouettes, especially the shoot-the-ducks ones. How they get a level 4 is A Big Mystery to me.
Why did they only get level 1 in the RD and then level 4 in the FD?
No, they got only Level 1 for them (in RD). They were awarded in GOE though. They got Level 4 for normal type of twizzles (in FD)... (but probably when their sit twizzles travels more, they are getting higher levels for it)...
Editing: That makes me beleive judges dont know levels of elements, cause i guess some judges (which have their countries represents) wont hestitate to give them lower than +4 GOE for a level 1 element (USA judge gave them even +5!). I mean, i would give them a lot of GOEs for creativity there, but i think some will deduct more from those positives if they know level is not met!?
GOEs are already, to put it mildly, Highly Suspect. And so they will be as long as they are tied to a system of judging based on nationalism.
Now that we can talk about it... why did Hubbell/Donohue get any 9.00+s in their SD, given that they had a fall?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gpusa2018/gpusa2018_IceDance_RD_Scores.pdf
https://www.isu.org/inside-single-p...96-program-component-chart-id-sp-2018-19/file
This isn't me coming for them - I adore this team and their programs... and it wasn't a fall in the conventional, feet tripping over... but it was interesting to note that only 2 judges actually adhered to this rule.