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2015 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International, Oct 12 - 15

It's a very small thing, but if Nam would have more confidence just after his performance was done the judges may have given him a point or so extra. That putting his head in his hands must have made the judges think he was unsure of his performance...
Yuzu kept projecting confidence after he was finished with the skate, and while bowing to the judges and the audience.

What I can't get is why Nam seemed displeased with his skate. He didn't seem to have messed up anything to my eyes, so what was it? Was it the spins? I thought his spins weren't great.

But even if his spins weren't good, his step sequence was good and his jumps were excellent so overall it was still a very good skate.
 
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Well, why some people are always getting so sensitive when it is about Yuzuru, it is just senior B scores. As a reminder: Patrick Chan doubled axel and missed combo in his senior B sp but people never mind that he has got 84, only 2 points lower than Nam, Javier Fernandez got +1 GOE for FALL and his PCS were... , Uno was overscored by 5-7 pts as well right? For them it is always Hanyu who is overscored and they always feel the necessity to raise a voice for "fairness " lol.
Anyways Gambatte Yuzuru for FP :dance:
Exactly.
 
I finally watched D/R...I do quite like their program :) SOme of her arm movements could really be just a bit more graceful and improve my viewing experience 100% but overall I think it can work for them.
 
Just watched Bennet, Sean and Alexander back to back to back and I think Bennet should be further ahead in score.
And just re-watched Roxanne's short and I must say I really like it. When I watched it during the comp itself I was so worried she would make a mistake that I didn't get into it as much. Wow the CAN ladies are really delivering this season. It looks like we actually have about 6 ladies who could be fighting for medals at Nationals. I know Kaetlyn, Gabby and Alaine are the top 3 but they are really going to have to bring it this year or else they may just get passed.
 
You know, until the end of this competition, I'm gonna hope that the sound doesn't fail on anyone. It's just so wonky at times, it makes me wince. :no:
 
You know, until the end of this competition, I'm gonna hope that the sound doesn't fail on anyone. It's just so wonky at times, it makes me wince. :no:
and everytime the sound wonkies, I catch myself thinking "is that part of some weird music cut?" :laugh:
(sorry, I know it's annoying, but this has happened so often now)
 
Yat Long Cherry LEE (HKG)

Music: Die Fledermaus

Blue sparkly halter dress

1A - 'Rippon
3S - landed, looked <
FCSp
2F+2T
2Lz - e, turnout
StSq
2F - 'tano
2Lz+2Lo+2Lo - !
2S+2T - scratchy
CCoSp3p
LSp

FS: 60.70, 88.80, 1/1
 
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Priscilla June CHAU (HKG)

Music: Arang and the Magistrate (OST)

Strapless grey/red/pink shredded dress

2F+2T+1Lo
1A
FSSp
StSq
2S+2T
2Lz<< - twofoot, stepout
2F+1Lo
2Lz - landed, looked <
LSp
2S - turnnout
FCCoSp3p

FS: 48.83, 74.25, 2/2
 
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Nathalie NG (HKG)

Music: Fantaisie Impromptu by Chopin

Lavender blue dress, silver/blue sparkles

3S+1Lo+2S - wonky, looked 3S<+1Lo<+2S
2F
2A+2T - forward, maybe 2A<
FSSp
3S - twofoot/turnout, looked <
CCoSp3p
2A - stepout, looked <
2Lo
StSq
2F+2T
LSp - nice

FS: 62.08, 91.17, 1/3
 
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Mancini. :love: I always thought his music is used in FS too rarely. It's such a nice fit to this sport.
 
Samantha CABILES (PHI)

Music: Lujon by Henry Mancini; From Russia with Love by Keith Ferreira

Black long-sleeve sheer sparkly dress, open back

3T - twofoot/fall
3Lo - fall, looked <<
2A+1Lo+2S - bit hesitant
FSSp
2T - twofoot, stepout
2A
LSp
2Lz+1T - e, turnout
2?
StSq - fall at beginning
CCoSp3p

FS: 53.87, 89.95, 2/4
 
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I agree! (Except Patrick probably has been gifted that amount of inflation before ;)).:

Patrick has had his share of inflated scores, but has never been gifted with 93 points with as big an error as a UR stepout. That score would still be the 6th best SP of all time. The worst I can recall for Chan was 90/91 points with a (fully-rotated) fall in his SP.
 
Patrick has had his share of inflated scores, but has never been gifted with 93 points with as big an error as a UR stepout. That score would still be the 6th best SP of all time. The worst I can recall for Chan was 90/91 points with a (fully-rotated) fall in his SP.


But still I ask you how you want to cut his score if it's mathematically right in protocols on TES. His PCS could have been 1 point lower and that's all. But still I played slowmo on quad and can't see that UR hmm, but it doesn't matter here. If it was it was under heavy zoom to milimmiters
But then they should take a look at Nam's prerotated quad :biggrin:
 
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Colette KAMINSKI (POL)

Dark blue long-sleeve dress, sparkly stripes

...missed first part....
2Lz+1Lo+2S - foot down, stepout
3S - twofoot/fall, maybe <
CCoSp3p
2A - hangs on
LSp

FS: 60.27, 97.52, 1/5
 
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But still I ask you how you want to cut his score if it's mathematically right in protocols on TES. His PCS could have been 1 point lower and that's all. But still I played slowmo on quad and can't see that UR hmm, but it doesn't matter here. If it was it was under heavy zoom to milimmiters
But then they should take a look at Nam's prerotated quad :biggrin:

Obviousely prerotated quad and very questionable lutz ...:biggrin:
 
Can't recall you having the same attitude when it came to Patrick vs. Daisuke in the 2012 Worlds LP. I think it had something to do with Patrick being the better skater. Is Yuzuru not the better skater when compared to Nam?

I acknowledged Daisuke was the better skater in the FS (and I think his PCS should have been about 90 and Chan's around 88, in which case Chan still could have won)... but Daisuke had a UR 3F (which compared to a clean 3F with +GOE, meant he lost the value of a 2A... the double axel Chan missed), and only had one quad, and Takahashi had << on his SP combo.

In this instance, Nam went clean, without any errors and did a flawless 4+3 combo, 3A and 3Z. Hanyu had a great 3A, but the 4T was flawed (which should have gotten more -3's given it was both a UR and a stepout), and the 3Z+3T was off-axis (although I'd say the judges got the GOE correct on that one with mainly 0/-1 compared to +1s). The main issue is the components scores... 45.31 would have been fine for a clean skate (Hanyu's PB is 46.61), but for one with an obvious error, there's no way it should have scored above 45. But you compare that to Nam getting 37.85, and it's like ... really, 7.5 points higher for a flawed skate?!

Yuzuru is definitely a superior skater to Nam, but you're comparing Chan (who had a major error and minor error) scoring 5 points higher PCS in the freeskate - where PCS scaling is double - over Takahashi (who still had an error and easier technical content than Chan)...... to Hanyu (with a major error and a minor error) scoring 7.5 higher PCS in the short program over a flawless Nam (who was flawless with essentially the same technical content as Hanyu). Even if Hanyu falls twice in the FS, his PCS will probably be about 15 points higher than Nam's - even if Nam goes clean with 2 or 3 quads. And I don't care how superior overall Hanyu/Chan/Fernandez/Ten is to a skater like Nam, if they make major errors and Nam goes lights out, Nam deserves to be placed ahead and not fall prey to some de facto PCS gap just because he's a second-tier skater.

I agree that Nam had no reason to be upset with that skate (unless he felt he messed up a spin position or missed choreo or something), and the judges might have taken notice. Orser probably had a talking to him after that.
 
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I acknowledged Daisuke was the better skater (and I think his PCS should have been about 90 and Chan's around 88, in which case Chan still could have won)... but Daisuke had a UR 3F (which compared to a clean 3F with +GOE, meant he lost the value of a 2A... the double axel Chan missed), and only had one quad, and Takahashi had << on his SP combo.

In this instance, Nam went clean, without any errors and did a flawless 4+3 combo, 3A and 3Z. Hanyu had a great 3A, but the 4T was flawed (which should have gotten more -3's given it was both a UR and a stepout), and the 3Z+3T was off-axis (although I'd say the judges got the GOE correct on that one with mainly 0/-1 compared to +1s).

The main issue is the components scores... 45.31 would have been fine for a clean skate (Hanyu's PB is 46.61), but for one with an obvious error, there's no way it should have scored above 45. But you compare that to Nam getting 37.85, and it's like ... really, 7.5 points higher for a flawed skate?!

I agree that Nam had no reason to be upset with that skate (unless he felt he messed up a spin position or missed choreo or something), and the judges might have taken notice. Orser probably had a talking to him after that.

Seriousely, sometimes I think Patrick Chan himself comments behind the poster CanadianSkaterGuy :laugh2:
 
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