Alena Kostornaia leaves Tutberidze

eliana said:

https://rsport.ria.ru/20200731/1575227627.html

Alena refuses to say why she left Tutberidze Team

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That's the ticket, Aliona. Keep silent, let everyone guess until they're blue in the face.

Let others make fools of themselvres by popping off on social media. :yes:

Fried said:

Don't panic. Everything will be fine. You have to think about the good things. Alyona keeps her great parents who will soon be the parents of a neurosurgeon.

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She is not a neurosurgeon yet and won't be that "soon" either. As of now, it's just a dream of a 16 yo. Dreams can change or don't become true for whatever reason. Been there done that.
The education and training to become a neurosurgeon is rigorous and extensive and includes the completion of:

Four years of pre-medical education at a college or university, four years of medical school resulting in an M.D. or D.O. degree, one year internship in general surgery, five to seven years in a neurosurgery residency program.

You have to come that far first. You can't just claim that she is almost there if she didn't even start yet xD

Plushenko: Kostornaya decided to radically change the team, why - you need to ask her

The coach noted that the skater herself expressed a desire to move to his group two weeks ago.

The European figure skating champion Alena Kostornaya made the decision to radically change the team herself, the athlete is focused only on sports. Two-time Olympic champion Evgeny Plushenko told TASS about this, to whose team Kostornaya decided to move from the group of Eteri Tutberidze.

On Friday, Tutberidze announced the transition of the athlete to the Plushenko group. In this off-season, another student left Tutberidze for Plushenko - the winner of the European Championship Alexandra Trusov.

"Alena herself expressed a desire to join my group two weeks ago, she wanted to skate in" Plushenko's Angels "under my leadership and the guidance of Sergei Rozanov. Before that, we did not even know each other. If she had such thoughts before, then this nothing was known, "Plushenko said." I can't say what didn’t suit her, and whether it didn’t, it would be better to ask her herself, I can only say that she decided to radically change the team. "

"She did not have any specific wishes - she just wanted to train, prepare for the Olympics, she is absolutely geared towards sports. We did not even discuss the financial component of the issue, but if something is needed, I will take everything upon myself - I have the opportunity do it, and I don’t be stingy, ”Plushenko stressed.

"This is a sport, and we, of course, will work with Alena on quadruple jumps. She hasn’t skated for a long time - we will restore everything anew, we will put on new programs. We will change the ones that we have set, definitely - these will be our programs, We will stage with Serezha, and if we need choreographers, we will invite the best. And there are thoughts about these programs - Alena and I have been communicating for two weeks already, and proposals on this matter have already been made to her, and she liked them, "Plushenko said.

When asked by TASS if Plushenko is aware of the responsibility he takes upon himself by taking on the team two of the most promising singles in Russia, he replied: “We are ready for anything, and even if there is some kind of misfire, life is not We have a professional approach to training, to work, now we have a strong team, and with the arrival of Seryozha Rozanov it has definitely strengthened, this is a great professional whom we value, cherish and respect. "

“I understood responsibility when Trusova came to us, when [Veronika] Zhilina came to us. We are not afraid of responsibility, we are ready to work, ready to work, which we do every day. by the fireplace, watching TV, as many others do, "Plushenko stressed.

Alexandra Trusova, who already works at Angels Plushenko, reacted normally to Kostornaya's transition. "Everything is fine, she is ready to train. And the fact that Alena wants to skate on the ice alone is nonsense, she has no problems with this, and today she voiced it to me. From tomorrow Alena starts the training process - the academy has been fully operational for a long time, now more than 120 children train there, so the process starts, we start moving, "Plushenko noted.

https://tass.ru/sport/9099937

Mathman said:

That's the ticket, Aliona. Keep silent, let everyone guess until they're blue in the face.

Let others make fools of themselvres by popping off on social media. :yes:

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Not to say that this is Aliona but a good rule of thumb is this: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people see you as a fool or villain than open your mouth and confirm it for them.


I think the best thing she can do is rise above it all. Kill them with kindness. Send flowers, say only positive things about her. Live your best life. Living well is the best revenge.

Gabby30 said:

She is not a neurosurgeon yet and won't be that "soon" either. As of now, it's just a dream of a 16 yo. Dreams can change or don't become true for whatever reason. Been there done that.
The education and training to become a neurosurgeon is rigorous and extensive and includes the completion of:

Four years of pre-medical education at a college or university, four years of medical school resulting in an M.D. or D.O. degree, one year internship in general surgery, five to seven years in a neurosurgery residency program.

You have to come that far first. You can't just claim that she is almost there if she didn't even start yet xD

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That's the way it is! My posting was ironic and related to Scott512's song of praise for "the most beautiful, smartest, best skater".

crazydreamer said:

This is the biggest coaching-change surprise I can personally recall.

I support her decision to change coaches but I think Plushenko is a terrible choice for her. Plushenko doesn't have any artistry and I doubt he will help Aliona achieve her full potential in that regard. It is Aliona's grace which distinguishes her from all the other young Russians who can do amazing jumps.

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Jesus! What about his 75 6.0s in the old system? Most of them were artistry points and he received at international competitions mostly! He had more than Michelle Kwan had! LOL!

el henry said:

Kori Ade, who lost the one internationally known skater she had, a skater whom she had coached since he was five years old, kept her own counsel and said nothing when he left. Made no snide inferences on social media. In other words, even though she was like Jason's second mother and it must have hurt, she acted like an adult .

Brian Orser. He may have said he didn't know what the issues were, but as far as I know, has never badmouthed a skater who left or said, oh they wanted this and that, oh they were jealous of this and that skater, oh there was something wrong with the skater.

In fact, I can't think of any coach of the skaters I follow who made snide remarks, no matter how provoked, upon the skaters' departure for another coach. Thank heavens from my experience, (and I certainly don't follow every coach, so I can only speak for the ones I know) most coaches are angels:yay:

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Brian did and said regrettable things in the press when Yuna left. I think there's a lot he would've done differently.

But yes, there's a reason I said few and not none.

RemyRose said:

Plushenko: Kostornaya decided to radically change the team, why - you need to ask her

"Alena herself expressed a desire to join my group two weeks ago, she wanted to skate in" Plushenko's Angels "under my leadership and the guidance of Sergei Rozanov. Before that, we did not even know each other. If she had such thoughts before, then this nothing was known, "Plushenko said.
https://tass.ru/sport/9099937

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So many versions of the timeline! So who tells the truth? Was it set in May or two weeks ago?

theharleyquinn said:

Brian did and said regrettable things in the press when Yuna left. I think there's a lot he would've done differently.

But yes, there's a reason I said few and not none.

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There is a 66 pages thread of heated discussions about that split on GS. And i think it's this article which put fire https://www.thestar.com/sports/2010...er.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=star_web_ymbii
I guess some people had seen subtle shade in his words. Yuna sure did given her reaction after that article. And he kept talking to media, which was a bad idea.

plushyfan said:

Jesus! What about his 75 6.0s in the old system? Most of them were artistry points and he received at international competitions mostly! He had more than Michelle Kwan had! LOL!

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I always find when I watch Plushenko it is less about his artistry and more about his sheer charisma. He just has that "look at me" quality that is unteachable. I really wish he could help someone like Samarin who has beautiful jumps but little on ice performance quality. Evgeni was nearly always "on" in a way that hard to quantify. Natural performer maybe?

theharleyquinn said:

Brian did and said regrettable things in the press when Yuna left. I think there's a lot he would've done differently.

But yes, there's a reason I said few and not none.

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That was the interregnum, when I was not following skating so well, so I didn't know Brian criticized Yuna herself.

I do know that he did nothing of the sort when Stephen Gogolev left or even Adam Rippon. So he learned.:thumbsup:

And I would have to differ about "few". I think most coaches are adults and act like it. But as far as I know, there are no statistics, so we're both right

RemyRose said:

"You always try to find an excuse for anything you do." Tutberidze about the departure of Alena Kostornaya

Following Alexandra Trusova, figure skater Alena Kostornaya left the coaching group of Eteri Tutberidze. European champion, winner of the ISU Grand Prix finals, holder of two world records passed to Evgeni Plushenko. In an interview with TASS, Tutberidze revealed the details of the last days of working with the athlete, talked about the staging of her new programs and her attitude to what happened.

Eteri Georgievna, how did Alena work at the training camp in Novogorsk?

Until July 15, she trained well, was recovering with an excellent mood, preparing for the season. Two programs were staged - short and free, and in our professional opinion, they should have made at least a splash in figure skating. It was a godsend for her and for the situation in the world.

Already on July 16, she was in a rather sour mood, then she was unwell, she did not go out on the ice, and on the evening of the 18th we talked, Alena announced her plans for the transition. She then left the base, citing health problems.

- Did you manage to recover after switching to Plushenko Sasha Trusova ?

- No, of course. But you always try to find an excuse for any deed, you try to look at the world through their eyes. Understand that they want to win in this situation. But for this you need to talk.

- What did Alena lack?

- She said that she cannot be on the ice with a certain list of athletes. We try to keep the skaters separate. We had five people on the ice, and there was enough time for each. Yes, when there are ten of them, I, of course, no longer have time. But we have three coaches on the ice.

Of course, our coaching staff is offended that we were chosen simply as a headquarters with which we can guarantee to go through training camps for recovery. With Alena, a week was spent on staging, but we could spend this time on other athletes, to embody our other creative ideas. Of course, this is devastating.

- Eteri Georgievna, it turns out that Evgeni Plushenko goes with your athletes to the Olympics.

- Yes, although he did not have time to guarantee himself this initially. Now Plushenko receives ready-made athletes and a certain guarantee for the Olympics.

- Can you justify such transfers of ready-made athletes to other coaches?

- I can only say that I have never lured anyone away. How can an athlete be given a guarantee of results and success? It takes a long way.

Interviewed by Veronika Sovetova

https://tass.ru/interviews/9098433

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"Now Plushenko receives ready-made athletes and a certain guarantee for the Olympics."
We all know that's not true, as we can see in her other students who are 16+....

yume said:

There is a 66 pages thread of heated discussions about that split on GS. And i think it's this article which put fire https://www.thestar.com/sports/2010...er.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=star_web_ymbii
I guess some people had seen subtle shade in his words. Yuna sure did given her reaction after that article.

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I think, while Brian might have been too open about his feelings about Yuna leaving, he has not badmouthed other skaters who have left him and there have been plenty. With Eteri it is becoming a pattern.

I get being hurt. I think when someone you have poured a lot of time and attention into leaves you it is natural to be disappointed or even angry. But you keep your own council. Complain to your team. Complain to your partner. Go hit a punching bag. The choice to make a public display is a poor one and I think if you asked Brian he'd probably tell you that he wished he kept his own council on the Yuna issue.

Alena Kostornaia leaving Eteri

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ancientpeas said:

I think, while Brian might have been too open about his feelings about Yuna leaving, he has not badmouthed other skaters who have left him and there have been plenty. With Eteri it is becoming a pattern.

I get being hurt. I think when someone you have poured a lot of time and attention into leaves you it is natural to be disappointed or even angry. But you keep your own council. Complain to your team. Complain to your partner. Go hit a punching bag. The choice to make a public display is a poor one and I think if you asked Brian he'd probably tell you that he wished he kept his own council on the Yuna issue.

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Social media is definitely not your friend during these moments when your emotions are running high. I'm sure Brian learned from his experience with Yuna. I also believe that Frank Carroll would not throw Gracie Gold's team USA jacket in the trash given a second chance at that moment.

I'm not sure what Plushenko's artistic abilities as a competitor have to do with his ability to coach Alena and help her grow as an artist. I don't recall Frank Carroll having a reputation as an artistic skater, but he did fine work with Michelle Kwan and many others.

Gabby30 said:

"Now Plushenko receives ready-made athletes and a certain guarantee for the Olympics."
We all know that's not true, as we can see in her other students who are 16+....

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And its ot like he is the only one, most of the ones who transfer in their senior years are what she calls ready made athletes. Even she gets trained athletes who transfer from other trainers, yes the team teaches them new jumps like quads but its not as if everyone of her athletes was trained by her since early childhood

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Finley said:

Social media is definitely not your friend during these moments when your emotions are running high. I'm sure Brian learned from his experience with Yuna. I also believe that Frank Carroll would not throw Gracie Gold's team USA jacket in the trash given a second chance at that moment.

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Exactly.

That’s why they say - “never get your phone when you’re drunk” or “never text your ex when you’re drunk”.


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drivingmissdaisy said:

I'm not sure what Plushenko's artistic abilities as a competitor have to do with his ability to coach Alena and help her grow as an artist. I don't recall Frank Carroll having a reputation as an artistic skater, but he did fine work with Michelle Kwan and many others.

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Exactly, because Eteri was a very successful skater herself...

yume said:

There is a 66 pages thread of heated discussions about that split on GS. And i think it's this article which put fire https://www.thestar.com/sports/2010...er.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=star_web_ymbii
I guess some people had seen subtle shade in his words. Yuna sure did given her reaction after that article. And he kept talking to media, which was a bad idea.

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But he actually seemwd to have learned from this. But eteri doesnt seem to learn or want to learn, she has to talk badly about almsot every skater who is well known when they leave, from yulia , to zhenya to sasha , to now aljona, i could have understood if she did it like once with yulia but not 4 or more times.

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