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But how does music selection help to get back at someone?
I’m still failing to understand, same with Kamila’s program. Did it help?

I don't care who does Romeo and Juliet. But others do especially if it's an EG girl skater. ;) I'm hoping Dasha turns it into a masterpiece. She has a somewhat different skill-set than Sasha does so there R & J's should be a little bit different. But I bet both will be excellent free skates.
 
And who is saying that they choose that music after Trusova's announcement? I think this part is the illogical one. That program with this kind of music arrangments might have been as an idea in Sambo for 1,2, even more years. There are a lot of cases like that.

Yes. I didn't say this music was stolen by anyone.

Sasha is an idol for Daria and she asked Daniil to do the exact same program for her. Let's not criticize the girl for this choice and support her desire to be like QQ

In this case I support Daria for her choice. I have no problem with it .
 
Samodelkina will never win over clean Valieva

Kamila is beatable only if she makes huge errors. if she's clean i don't believe any other junior can beat her. she is so far ahead of everyone else in maturity, skating skills, artistry, spins, jumps...everything.
 
But how does music selection help to get back at someone?
I’m still failing to understand, same with Kamila’s program. Did it help?

I'm not saying this as a definite since I don't know how judges think, but PCS is Sasha's weakness. Daria is a junior so her components will be pushed down a little as it is, but having a direct comparison available to judges may make it difficult to justify higher components for Sasha's program if they see it lacking compared to Daria's. As it is, Daria is a better performer, and without quads she will have a more rounded program.

With Kamila's program, comparisons between her and Zhenya were instant in this forum...no one knows for sure what the judges think about it in the end.
 
That's what I've said already in test skates thread yesterday, if there is any connection, this one is the only that makes sense. programs are not created from scratch just in may/june (or generally just during offseason), unless it's some emergency situation, many ideas live some time¨, others just wait for proper skater or till a skater grows up etc. So it is completely possible this idea existed already in TT for some time and both Daniil and Sergei-with-fangirls decided to use use it, without any conspiracy or ulterior intentions.

I disagree, given Worlds is in March, I would assume many skaters select their music and start choreography around the time you mentioned. Of course there is the possibility that you have some insider knowledge about Sambo specifically, it seems to be going around these days. :laugh:

With the RJ situation, if it is a complete coincidence then it is an incredible almost unbelievable one. What you said is quite possible and maybe Rozanov/Daniil discussed exactly this type of program together. In that case I'm very curious to know whose idea it was. But it could be one of any number of possibilities and we are unlikely to find out.
 
Understanding why the federation moved Valieva from junior to senior tests is very simple, it is pure common sense. It is mainly a message for plushenko that no matter how many girls he catches from Tutberidze, there will always be more behind, secondly it is a show of support for Tudberidze of allowing him to show 3 skaters when the other coaches and plushenko will only have at most 2; And finally, it is pure publicity for the event, because it will be televised nationally for TV1, and while more Tutberidze girls are on the ice it is obvious that there will be higher ratings.

Do you really think the Federation supports Eteri on this level? Poor Eteri, if she needs such support. But I don't think so. I believe they decided it because Valieva is on level and they want to help Kamila. She has chance to be in the Olympic team. They want to give her more experiences.

This is unpopular but it must be said. Seriously plushifans stop your envy. I know it is annoying to know that your gold coach has not won anything compared to Tutberidze, all by dedicating himself to removing skaters instead of training the few who want to train in their academy from childhood.

Honestly leave the envy, some comments are read bordering the hatred of Tutberidze for the change of Valieva from junior to seniors. If Plushenko had behaved as a coach the federation would not have come to this; the saddest thing is that so far Plushenko says nothing about Valieva, because he knows that the criticism would rain, i wish his fans would behave the same.

Honestly what are you talking about? Envy? What envy? Ridiculous. :roll5: We are not stupid thus we know and according to his inrerview Plushenko knows, too he is not on Eteri's level yet. Plushenko is a 3 years old coach. How could there be as many results as Eteri, who has been working as a coach for about 17 years? :scratch2: Please tell us what results Eteri had at the time? ;) Nothing.

Incidentally, Tarakanova's results were almost the same under Plushenko as under Eteri's control . :yes: And one important note, Eteri doesn’t raise her skaters from an early age at all. The skaters go to her from other coaches, did you forget it? If someone can’t do triple jumps, she kicks out them. See Scherbakova, who was kicked out by Eteri, so someone else taught the triples to her. :palmf: What is a joke, I was surprised when I learned it. What happened in this 3 years is due to Plushenko's name, is due to what Plushenko is in figure skating. This situation is very interesting because in this story the characters are Russians, everyone is interesting, everyone is very famous, everyone is very popular, everyone is very talented. Lambiel's didn't receive such attention because of his new ready-made skaters :laugh: ( I don't want to say they are not talented, probably you understand what I wanted to say)

Otherwise Plushenko started his school with many little children . They are teaching them the basic of the figure skating and the basic of every sport. But the academy is only 3 years old. Right?
 
I disagree, given Worlds is in March, I would assume many skaters select their music and start choreography around the time you mentioned. Of course there is the possibility that you have some insider knowledge about Sambo specifically, it seems to be going around these days. :laugh:

With the RJ situation, if it is a complete coincidence then it is an incredible almost unbelievable one. What you said is quite possible and maybe Rozanov/Daniil discussed exactly this type of program together. In that case I'm very curious to know whose idea it was. But it could be one of any number of possibilities and we are unlikely to find out.

That's not what I'm talking about, one thing is when the program is introduced to the skater, the other one when the idea itself appears, that's I believe, whole year's work, I doubt it is possible to create 20-30 programs from scratch during one or two months.
 
That's not what I'm talking about,one thing is when the program is introduced to the skater, the other one when the idea itself appears, that's I believe, whole year's work, I doubt it is possible to create 20-30 programs from scratch during one or two months.

The thing is... Daria’s program was awful. So maybe they had little time to create it. I think if Daria’s program was amazing people wouldn’t be trying to link it to Plushy as much, but the choreography doesn’t suit the music. Maybe it’s Daniil’s bad choreography, maybe something else. I agree it’s too shady to copy someone else’s music cuts, even for Eteri. Maybe they ran out of ideas and used R&J as a desperate move? Who knows, I don’t even care anymore about this whole “who stole whom”. All I care about is poor Daria having bad programs and possibly Alexandra having a bad program considering how awful those music cuts sounded together.
 
The thing is... Daria’s program was awful. So maybe they had little time to create it. I think if Daria’s program was amazing people wouldn’t be trying to link it to Plushy as much, but the choreography doesn’t suit the music. Maybe it’s Daniil’s bad choreography, maybe something else. I agree it’s too shady to copy someone else’s music cuts, even for Eteri. Maybe they ran out of ideas and used R&J as a desperate move? Who knows, I don’t even care anymore about this whole “who stole whom”. All I care about is poor Daria having bad programs and possibly Alexandra having a bad program considering how awful those music cuts sounded together.

"Even for Eteri", c'mon, give me a break. :handw:
 
I'm not saying this as a definite since I don't know how judges think, but PCS is Sasha's weakness. Daria is a junior so her components will be pushed down a little as it is, but having a direct comparison available to judges may make it difficult to justify higher components for Sasha's program if they see it lacking compared to Daria's. As it is, Daria is a better performer, and without quads she will have a more rounded program.

With Kamila's program, comparisons between her and Zhenya were instant in this forum...no one knows for sure what the judges think about it in the end.

PCS became Sasha's weakness only when she raised the stakes with 3-4-5 quads.
With her old two-quad FP ISU Board was more lenient because that program didn't ruine the "slow progress paradimg". Her PCS at JWC-18 were pretty good.
Quad Lutz deadly wounded her career. And the Flip nailed the coffin.
 
PCS became Sasha's weakness only when she raised the stakes with 3-4-5 quads.
With her old two-quad FP ISU Board was more lenient because that program didn't ruine the "slow progress paradimg". Her PCS at JWC-18 were pretty good.
Quad Lutz deadly wounded her career. And the Flip nailed the coffin.
PCS in juniors works quite differently from PCS in seniors. In juniors it's mostly about skating clean and the competitive skaters tend to be so close to each other in PCS that it's not enough to differentiate anyone. Not so in seniors, where PCS differences are massive and "artistry" begins to matter.
 
Plushenko is a 3 years old coach. How could there be as many results as Eteri, who has been working as a coach for about 17 years? :scratch2: Please tell us what results Eteri had at the time? ;) Nothing.
Well, give everyone the money and business connections that plushenko has and i guess most of coaches who are successful now but weren't when they debuted would have gotten some results in 3 years.
 
It’s not out yet, only the music cuts were announced by Plushenko about 10 days ago.

It wasn't even cut music. They just posted the names of the pieces that will be used, not specific parts of each piece and how they will be arranged together.
 
Eteri fans who are always defending her no matter what and never take criticism in a good way would be those types of participants at Ru Paul’s Drag Race that are annoyingly arrogant, trying to stay true to their “aesthetic” and never accepting constructive criticism, even when their aesthetic is awful. It’s like... Mama Ru told you so, you knew you would be eliminated... If Ru tells you to wear a corset, improve your makeup and lip synch abilities, you go and do that girl, you don’t discuss with Ru. Not that people who criticize Eteri are at the level of Ru Paul, but it’s like... the audience knew that drag would be eliminated, every single week the same criticism... and yet they chose not to accept Ru’s tips. You hear that, Daniil? Every season it’s the same thing, the same criticism...
 
Eteri fans who are always defending her no matter what and never take criticism in a good way would be those types of participants at Ru Paul’s Drag Race that are annoyingly arrogant, trying to stay true to their “aesthetic” and never accepting constructive criticism, even when their aesthetic is awful. It’s like... Mama Ru told you so, you knew you would be eliminated... If Ru tells you to wear a corset, improve your makeup and lip synch abilities, you go and do that girl, you don’t discuss with Ru. Not that people who criticize Eteri are at the level of Ru Paul, but it’s like... the audience knew that drag would be eliminated, every single week the same criticism... and yet they chose not to accept Ru’s tips. You hear that, Daniil? Every season it’s the same thing, the same criticism...

The judges disagree with you and in the end, it's their opinion that really matters, not that of any one of us posting here :confused2:
 
Daniil creates epic programs each year. I'm sure he doesn't need any "constructive criticism" from the hater mob. Seriously, sit down
 
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