Russian judge gives a -3
Macassar88- you owe me a keyboard, LOL...obviously block-judging goes both ways but for Sochi, I see it tipping to the East....and seriously how did Alla Piseeva end up on the tech panel...oieee...
Russian judge gives a -3
A tech panelist making errors or questionable calls will not be keeping his/her job for long.
Let's take a few random technical panel members, Judy Blumberg (USA), Maurizio Margaglio (ITA, but runs the FIN program), Mrs. Piseev (RUS) & Shae Zukowski (CAN)
All of them get paid to coach. Some of them get paid to choreograph. If some of their students are skating, how is it possible that they are not in a conflict of interest? And worse, is it not, when there are only 3 members of a panel. And the ISU does not give them a yearly stipend. They live on their coaching/choreographying/TV commentating/Finnish program running businesses, not on the ISU dime.
More, all of them will have their tastes and ideas influenced by the countries they grew up in, that they live in, and that they trained in. This is great when you have a sizable judging panel, but one does not have to postulate any crookedness to see that 3 is too few on a panel, given how wide a world this is, even in the small world of skating.
Macassar88- you owe me a keyboard, LOL...obviously block-judging goes both ways but for Sochi, I see it tipping to the East....and seriously how did Alla Piseeva end up on the tech panel...oieee...
Okay I get that you thought it was funny, but why do I owe you a keyboard?
probably because they were having a beverage while reading and it ended up spewed across the keyboard
Do you - or does anyone at GS have the list of judges and tech panel members who have been dismissed from ISU events due to bad or questionable marks or calls?
The ISU does publish every year the list of judges who accrue enough "anomalies' (marks outside the corridor) to be called on the carpet for some sort of discipline. I will try to find the latest such report on the ISU site, but it requires some effort.
Typically about a dozen or so judges face some sort of reprimand each season and some serve suspensions during which they cannot judge ISU events, combined with retraining.
Thanks - but is this like dealing with "state secrets"?
Why is it so hard to find the information?
If MM can find it others can, too.
Individuals feel powerless in the face of official organizations and feel that dehumanizing and demonizing those organizations is a means of asserting their power as individuals?
This may be especially true for organizations (e.g., government, huge corporations) that seem to hold a lot of power over our lives -- or in the case of skating federations, power over the individual skaters we enjoy identifying with. Also skating officials stand in judgment over those skaters' performances, so defying them feels like resisting being judged.
That's my theory, anyway.
Apparently mathman hasn't been able to find it......yet. But it's only been 15 hours and maybe he's been busy - or it is really well hidden.
The ISU does publish every year the list of judges who accrue enough "anomalies' (marks outside the corridor) to be called on the carpet for some sort of discipline. I will try to find the latest such report on the ISU site, but it requires some effort.
Typically about a dozen or so judges face some sort of reprimand each season and some serve suspensions during which they cannot judge ISU events, combined with retraining.
Still looking.
It is somewhat of a chore to find things on the ISU site because you have to comb through the list of old ISU Communications. The search feature is not as helpful as it might be. It is usually easier just to use Google.
Anyway, here is an old "summary" of action by the ISU judges' oversight committee. (Scroll down to paragraph 11, page 5.)
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1475
I believe that this kind of summary is the only information that is made public.. We do not know the names of the individual judges. An "Assessment 3" is the worst and carries some sort of penalty more than just a reprimand or warning.
Another theory might be those who blindly follow without questioning might as well live in a totalitarian state.
Still looking.
Judges and officials also face discipline for breaking various breaches of the ethical code. Last year two Swedish judges who were sisters both served at the same event (the men's novice competition at the Hague last year). One sister was a judge and the other was the referee, in violation of the rule that related people cannot serve as both judges and governing officials. The referee was suspended for one year from refereeing.
http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=3530