2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate

[MaiKatze]

Oh my. Did anyone see this? I felt horrible reading it.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_333165/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=FEJD43O8

Read that in our Newspaper today and couldn't believe my eyes. I doubt this old geezer ever stepped on the ice and has no idea what kind of pressure happened. Mao proved more than any other that she is a true champion. Yuzuru won Japan a gold Medal. And it has nothing to do with that idiot either. He should be happy to have skaters like Mao in his country and stop putting them down.

 

[lovetmzaki]

I hate this, I hate disliking skaters because of judges and federations :\

I wish they could've just given her the bronze and portraying it as what it is, A prize for her solid skates

Yeah, agreed. I think Sotnikova was good since she did managed to skate clean, high jumps and good spins but her technique & footwork has yet to reach a potential. Her skating was all over the place and rough, not memorable in a good way. And she looks like a boy in a skirt, that color didn't work on her. I think Yuna could have been scored just a little bit higher but not over the 150 mark since her deliverables this year isn't as great if you compare it to her other performances like Vancouver 2010 and Les Miserables in Worlds 2013. She could have been brilliant if had she chosen to dance to Les Miserables, the choreography was so much better. Adios Nonino did not do justice to her legacy. Pity though, since it was her last stage.

 

[MaiKatze]

I hate this, I hate disliking skaters because of judges and federations :\

I wish they could've just given her the bronze and portrayed it as what it is, A prize for her 2 solid skates

I would have been ok with Silver too, as Caro seemed very hesistant in her jumps, trying to make no mistakes, you could see that. Adelina really was better in that regard. i don't want to dislike Adelina, but these results make it hard to root for her in the years to come. Silver would have been a great success for her. Now she will be under a lot of pressure if she continues. But then, the judges always loved Adelina, even before the Olympics.

 

[AnastasiaO]

I don't agree that Sotnikova has more flow out the jumps, her jumps are high but without that softness, it's like a cout in the program, a little bit like Murakami. Yu-na jumps are perfect, huge speed in and out, I agree that one jump wasn't so good tonight but the others were very very good.
I stii can't over the fact that Mao had 6-7 points less in pcs than Sotnikova, how can you do that ??!!

 

[qwertyskates]

YuNa
3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x

3Lz+3T 10.10
3F 5.30
3S+2T 5.50
3Lz 6.60 
2A+2T+2Lo 7.04 
3S 4.62 x
2A 3.63 x 
Total 61.84

Sotnikova
3T+3T 8.20 
3F 5.30
2A 3.63 x

3Lz+3T 10.10 (Wrong edge. should get -GOE -1~-2 but Judges gave +GOE.)
3F 5.30
3Lo 5.10 
2A+3T 8.14 x
3F+2T+2Lo 9.24 x 
3S 4.62 x 
2A 3.63 x
Total 63.26 

the difference is only 1.42 point.
Their PCS is almost same in both SP and FP.
YuNa's step sequence got level 3 in SP and FP and Adelina got level 4 and 1.7 GOE.
This is fixed from the beginnig.YuNa was robbed gold medal.

Where did you get these figures from? Protocols place their BV at 61.43 and 57.49, a 4 points BV difference.

 

[lovetmzaki]

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petiti...-and-demand-rejudgement-at-the-sochi-olympics

Almost there guys! This is not just for Yuna, it's for ALL the competing skaters present at the Sochi games.
And also the hostile Russian crowd who was nothing but rude to the foreigners. Shame on the attitude really.

 

[HalfTriple]

This is why we can't take you Kim ubers seriously.

Oh, and I smell some newly minted "Russian" trolls...wow, the online army is truly mobilized.


Article reads:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/20/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html?_r=1

How Sotnikova Beat Kim, Move by Move

The scores for Adelina Sotnikova and Kim Yu-na were close for most of their long program elements. But Sotnikova took a significant lead in a few areas. Adam Leib, a coach and national technical specialist for U.S. Figure Skating, analyzes the performances. FEB. 20, 2014


This is someone who puts his reputation on the line, who has gone through the competition with a fine-toothed comb. I agree with him because I witnessed the same last night.

Yes, I would take weird views of anonymous internet posters over the opinion of a technical specialist published in a reputed newspapers, right.

The reporter didn't understand figure skating itself. His analysis is based on an assumption that Adelina is a skater of equal caliber with Kim or Asada which is not. Adelina is equivalent of Murakami. Both are powerful in youthfulness; rough and unripe. Both graduate from junior but still a lot to improve. Adelina is like a car running on the unpaved road while the top skaters on the asphalt. Her jumps and other execution are mostly not subject to GOEs and their PCS fall to the middle group. Landing jumps does not directly lead to high GOE or PCS. Don't confuse.

 

[RABID]

Great Long Programs from:

Adelina Sotnikova ( G )
YuNa Kim ( S )
Carolina Kostner ( B )

and

Mao Asada

It was overall a well-skated event, I thought.

I will just leave it there.

Love you, YuNa!

:thumbsup: SANITY!!!

I haven't been able to get on the board here because I am in the UK visiting but I have been watching the supremely excellent BBC coverage. English skating fans are so lucky; a thousand BBC channels means FULL figure skating coverage. And Robin Cousins, as always, the best! I wish YuNa would have won but I am not sad for her either. To think she withstood such enormous pressure is the TRUE mark of a champion. All the controversy is with the judging and none of it with her (as usual). To be honest the gold was lost before the season even began due to her injury and hence her disadvantaged place in the Short skating order (under-marked), her choice for the Free Program (not dynamic enough) and the location of the event. Unlike Sky-Fly's opinion Sotnikova didn't have a Sarah Hughes moment, she had a Tara Lupinski moment; she did her part; you can't fault her. But YuNa... she comes out of this even more of a legend than before.

 

[pororocheburashka]

Sotnikova went out while Yuna interviewed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmCFxqU8eQ

 

[yuki90]

Where did you get these figures from? Protocols place their BV at 61.43 and 57.49, a 4 points BV difference.

This is total jumps BV in both SP and FP. y

 

[qwertyskates]

The reporter didn't understand figure skating itself. His analysis is based on an assumption that Adelina is a skater of equal caliber with Kim or Asada which is not. Adelina is equivalent of Murakami. Both are powerful in youthfulness; rough and unripe. Both graduate from junior but still a lot to improve. Adelina is like a car running on the unpaved road while the top skaters on the asphalt. Her jumps and other execution are mostly not subject to GOEs and their PCS fall to the middle group. Landing jumps does not directly lead to high GOE or PCS. Don't confuse.

Sorry, what's "rough and unripe", "cars on unpaved road"? Honestly, you talk like this and say without irony that a Coach and Tech Specialist like Adam Leib doesn't understand figure skating?

 

[yuki90]

Sorry, what's "rough and unripe", "cars on unpaved road"? Honestly, you talk like this and say without irony that a Coach and Tech Specialist like Adam Leib doesn't understand figure skating?

Keep whining.....You cant change the fact YuNa is a true champion.

 

[neraiselle]

Throughout Mao's senior career, she had to struggle with wrong edge call on her flutz. Probably this is the reason why she had to keep going for triple axel. Without the wrong edge call, she probably would have much more successful career (on paper wise at least. This doesn't overshadow what a great skater Mao is). And at the end of her career, Mao sees these two skaters from the home turf getting ridiculous bonus points on the very thing that had held her back all her skating life. Mao got underrotation and wrong edge calls in her LP, but the two Russian girls didn't and got huge GOE. LOL. What a farce.

 

[qwertyskates]

This is total jumps BV in both SP and FP. y

According to published Protocols the figures are like nothing you posted.

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/figure-skating-ladies-free-skating

BV is 57.49 and 61.43, there is a BV difference of almost 4 points. Besides, you have to include the fact that jumps performed during second half of programs received 10% more, and Sotnikova received more for her combo because of that.

 

[visgiven]

throughout mao's senior career, she had to struggle with wrong edge call on her flutz. Probably this is the reason why she had to keep going for triple axel. Without the wrong edge call, she probably would have much more successful career (on paper wise at least. This doesn't overshadow what a great skater mao is). And at the end of her career, mao sees these two skaters from the home turf getting ridiculous bonus points on the very thing that had held her back all her skating life. Mao got underrotation and wrong edge calls in her lp, but the two russian girls didn't and got huge goe. Lol. What a farce.

completely agreed.

 

[shayna_m]

Thanks Russia for showing us the dirtiest sight of you. Now we know that we shouldn't count on you.
You got the title - The country that made the worst figure skating judgement ever.

Now I know why the little russian girls were so confident of themselves and so sure to think that they could get a medal.
Why did they have to do this immature crap at the last performance of Queen Yuna? It's her last day as a figure skater for god's sake!

The thing that made me more angry is that Yuna seemed to already know about this crap. She told the press who asked "do you admit this result?" that "Nothing will change anyway. Please remember that there was a skater Yuna-kim not just about the medal." and she also said that she expected that it could be like this after the SP score.

We shouldn't just stay like this. We should fight for justice to keep the figure skating going.

PS. Does Adelina REALLY think that she deserves it? Huh. I don't know about now, but she will now be facing the harsh future. She is just a starting member as a senior, and she has to look up to the unreachable score that her country gave her just for instant medal earning. If you think of the future of this little naive girl, this is a tragedy and she is also a victim. And what's up with the interviewing attitude?

Look below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmCFxqU8eQ

This surely is not the attitude of a true gold medalist. If she wanted to go, she should just at least excuse herself first. Have some repect for the queen.
You saw her performance, which is very respectable.

 

[visgiven]

Keep whining.....You cant change the fact YuNa is a true champion.

 

[sapphiresky]

Throughout Mao's senior career, she had to struggle with wrong edge call on her flutz. Probably this is the reason why she had to keep going for triple axel. Without the wrong edge call, she probably would have much more successful career (on paper wise at least. This doesn't overshadow what a great skater Mao is). And at the end of her career, Mao sees these two skaters from the home turf getting ridiculous bonus points on the very thing that had held her back all her skating life. Mao got underrotation and wrong edge calls in her LP, but the two Russian girls didn't and got huge GOE. LOL. What a farce.

:thumbsup:

 

[HalfTriple]

Sorry, what's "rough and unripe", "cars on unpaved road"? Honestly, you talk like this and say without irony that a Coach and Tech Specialist like Adam Leib doesn't understand figure skating?

you don't have to take it for attack. Refer to ADelina's past record and her skating. Like others she remains the same in essence. skaters cannot become a phenom over night. Likewise Julia is the same league with Polina and Li, then you have to ask why Julia alone receive massive Scores. Because she is far better? think again. Check her junor jumps and scores and her PCS, then come back and talk about it. then tell me why Polina and Li cannot be as near as Julia. You will find what the arbitrary judging means.

They are talking one side with their own agendas, I guess. but bring any of them here. I will talk them down into some sense, Trust me.

 

[qwertyskates]

Keep whining.....You cant change the fact YuNa is a true champion.

I'm not whining, Kim ubers are, all over the board.

I'm merely stating amusing facts, that professional tech specialists are made out to be "reporter who doesn't know figure skating", BV are re-engineered, etc. by Kim ubers.