For the people who argue that Adelina's component score was too high, I have a very straightforward question because the CoP only makes sense to me from the technical side. How can one, in general, select objective component scores? I think it seems like home turf advantage affects interpretation because the crowd is so supportive of it, that you start thinking that it is better than it really is.
2014 Olympics Ladies Free Skate
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Well, well, well. Skating officials start to speak out:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-olympics-adelina-sotnikova-yuna-kim/5680717/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-olympics-adelina-sotnikova-yuna-kim/5680717/
This is true and I wouldn't complain at all if the judging had been fair. I don't blame the system, I am not against emphasizing the aspect of figure skating being a sport. I just blame the judges for their wrong GOE scores and most of all, their crazy PCS. If with a fair judging, Sotnikova had more points than Kim, I would not complain. I had not even been a particular fan of any of the skaters. I am more into men's skating, but Kim, Kostner and Asada just captivated me with their skating in a competition that was probably the one with the highest quality ever. Seeing such a result is hard to bear then, especially seeing Sotnikova's PCS in comparison to those three. I am not even talking about Lipnitskaya's scores, which were ridiculous too.
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I think Adelina deserved to be in the podium, but the problem is with her score. I didn't think her FS was almost as good as Yuna's FS back in Vancouver 2010.
Sotnikova got 149.95 and Kim's world FS record was 150.06 - THAT I cannot comprehend.
It's not the performer most of us are upset with, it was the judges and the unfairness if you really look into it.
Lip fell a couple of times too but her score was up there with Mao Asada who skated beautifully clean.
Home advantage saved their asses big time.
I do think the two competing Russians were great contenders for Mao, Yuna & Carolina, but the both of them do not have the maturity as their seniors do.
I understand that Yuna fans were upset by the 'inflation' and are directing their displeasure towards the skater instead, WHICH isn't very nice of them to do.
And by doing so distressed others who think highly of Sotnikova. It wasn't intentional, I am a Yuna fan but I didn't think Sotnikova deserves to be lashed out on either.
That's the problem. The judges are simply not able to choose adequate PCS. It is the most subjective part of the system and it has become a mighty tool for judges to get the scoring they wish. There should be clear guidelines for what a 7, 8 or 9 is and then the judges should be controlled and held accountable for those scores. They should be forced to openly justify their scoring if necessary. Thus said, they should not be anonymous at all of course. And the best would probably be if separate judges were responsible for TES and PCS.
Brennan: Official says judges slanted toward Adelina Sotnikova
A high-ranking Olympic figure skating official, who spoke to USA TODAY sports on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the topic, said the geographic makeup of the judging panel "was clearly slanted towards (Olympic gold medalist) Adelina Sotnikova," adding "this is what they can do."
As for reigning Olympic champion Yuna Kim, the judge said: "Kim was so much better than Adelina in all aspects. Both Kostner and Kim were better than Adelina."
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That's the thing. I believe that at the moment we shoudn't be comparing Adelina's program with what Yuna did 4 years ago. It's about what Yuna skated in this competition.
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Sorry... but this feels like that "Leave Britney Alone" video...
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I know, I understand, but it left me confused when Sotnikova's score almost broke Kim's FS world record if she skates clean, that is questionable.
Here I am talking about artistry on ice. Many people in the audience don't understand the technical requirements, they watched it because it was like an artform in sport. Like the gymnastics. When we talk about the technicals, yes Adelina IS better than Yuna this competition, maybe she deserves the gold medal too since Yuna this Olympics did not bring her A game - I saw it in her SP program she wasn't the same Yuna in 2010 or in 2013 for that matter. She was here because she NEEDS to be, because of her country.
But I thought Sotnikova's FS shouldn't be THAT high, that error she made was unflattering.
I thought Mao skated better than Sotnikova, as do Carolina. Carolina was so clean back to back too & she was artistically lovely.
Still - even if you're right, you'd think that IF (!) there really is a case to be answered, at least one country would step up, and make a formal complaint to force an investigation? After all, it might be Kim and Kostner who were "victims" this time... but if they let it slide, next time it could be THEIR skaters.
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I only posted here once before (commented on men's short) but here goes:
I wish I could give out a gold to 5 skaters all for different reasons!
Adelina for delivering two great performances when it counted, whatever anyone's opinion of her win might be you can't say she's ignored anymore. Lol
Yuna for everything she has given to the sport, she was already a great champion no matter what happened at Sochi.
Carolina for third time lucky and finally getting it together and winning an Olympic medal.
Mao for her awesome comeback in the LP, bittersweet but beautiful.
And finally I would give little Julia a consolation gold. I think Russia themselves and her (Russian and non-Russian) fans piled far too much pressure on her tiny shoulders. She is a talent and did deserve the team gold... but it was all way too much, the poor girl looked absolutely terrified in both SP and LP.
One more thing, I am appalled at the hatred around the net for Adelina (and even Julia before her). Anyone would think Adelina bribed the judges herself!
It's not her fault there is all this scandal. she delivered a great performance she can and should be proud of.
I wish I could give out a gold to 5 skaters all for different reasons!
Adelina for delivering two great performances when it counted, whatever anyone's opinion of her win might be you can't say she's ignored anymore. Lol
Yuna for everything she has given to the sport, she was already a great champion no matter what happened at Sochi.
Carolina for third time lucky and finally getting it together and winning an Olympic medal.
Mao for her awesome comeback in the LP, bittersweet but beautiful.
And finally I would give little Julia a consolation gold. I think Russia themselves and her (Russian and non-Russian) fans piled far too much pressure on her tiny shoulders. She is a talent and did deserve the team gold... but it was all way too much, the poor girl looked absolutely terrified in both SP and LP.
One more thing, I am appalled at the hatred around the net for Adelina (and even Julia before her). Anyone would think Adelina bribed the judges herself!
It's not her fault there is all this scandal. she delivered a great performance she can and should be proud of.
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Any link for the medal ceremony (I missed it) anywhere?
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I will say it again... Here is how to make judging more transparent. After each competition, the judges appear publicly at a press conference to explain why they gave who what scores. Anyone who has questions will be allowed to ask the judges at that time. Unfortunately this will not happen because the governing bodies would take it as a personal slight to their secret club rules and would be offended to have to prove their integrity. They just expect respect without having earned it.
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That would be a great idea, those scums need to stop hiding.
I actually enjoyed watching it last night; after seeing the results and reading about all the controversy during the day about the results I didn’t think I would.
To me, the programs that moved me most were
1) Mao, for her courage. I don’t think she really feels the music or interprets as well as some of the others, but what a great comeback.
2) Carolina. Just gorgeous speed, flow, technique. She didn’t have quite the technical difficulty so that could play into her placement, but I thought she should have had the highest PCS
3) Polina. Amazing! Better skate than Nationals, even with her fall. She is so incredibly musical, has great flow in and out of her jumps. In a way, she reminds me of a young Carolina. It was hard to tell how her speed, etc. matched with the others, but she has a great future, I think.
I felt that while Yuna was clean, there was something missing in her performance; it’s less tangible, but just a sense of heart/magic that wasn’t there this time. I love her, but it just wasn't quite Vancouver this time. It's been a tough year for her.
Adelina – skated the best she ever has. I don’t think she should have had as high PCS as she did, because she does not have the edge quality, flow, and control of the other top women. But she picked perfect music for her skating style, and she interpreted it well, skated with all the passion and energy that Yuna lacked. So I can see how that might have tipped the scales in her favor for some of the judges.
Gracie was great, it will be great fun watching her and Polina compete. I didn’t feel she had quite the natural flow of Polina, but she is becoming the complete package. Maybe she just needs to skate with a bit more joy – I’m guessing Polina felt she had nothing to lose, while Gracie felt a bit more pressure being the US champ and perhaps getting a medal.
Ashley was out for blood Too bad she had the trouble with her combo!
Lipnitskaya – a lot on her shoulders and she seems pretty hard on herself. 5th is not bad, but with her expectations she of course expected more, but never skated against everyone like this. I hope she doesn’t headcase herself too much.
So, even though I don’t think the judging was “rigged”, I think the ISU needs to address some of the issues being brought up. Yuri Balkov should not have been allowed in there to judge. And I agree that anonymous judging should go.
To me, the programs that moved me most were
1) Mao, for her courage. I don’t think she really feels the music or interprets as well as some of the others, but what a great comeback.
2) Carolina. Just gorgeous speed, flow, technique. She didn’t have quite the technical difficulty so that could play into her placement, but I thought she should have had the highest PCS
3) Polina. Amazing! Better skate than Nationals, even with her fall. She is so incredibly musical, has great flow in and out of her jumps. In a way, she reminds me of a young Carolina. It was hard to tell how her speed, etc. matched with the others, but she has a great future, I think.
I felt that while Yuna was clean, there was something missing in her performance; it’s less tangible, but just a sense of heart/magic that wasn’t there this time. I love her, but it just wasn't quite Vancouver this time. It's been a tough year for her.
Adelina – skated the best she ever has. I don’t think she should have had as high PCS as she did, because she does not have the edge quality, flow, and control of the other top women. But she picked perfect music for her skating style, and she interpreted it well, skated with all the passion and energy that Yuna lacked. So I can see how that might have tipped the scales in her favor for some of the judges.
Gracie was great, it will be great fun watching her and Polina compete. I didn’t feel she had quite the natural flow of Polina, but she is becoming the complete package. Maybe she just needs to skate with a bit more joy – I’m guessing Polina felt she had nothing to lose, while Gracie felt a bit more pressure being the US champ and perhaps getting a medal.
Ashley was out for blood Too bad she had the trouble with her combo!
Lipnitskaya – a lot on her shoulders and she seems pretty hard on herself. 5th is not bad, but with her expectations she of course expected more, but never skated against everyone like this. I hope she doesn’t headcase herself too much.
So, even though I don’t think the judging was “rigged”, I think the ISU needs to address some of the issues being brought up. Yuri Balkov should not have been allowed in there to judge. And I agree that anonymous judging should go.
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It's not only in figure skating. In soccer the referees are forbidden to give any interviews about their decisions in the games.
But I certainly wouldn't mind if the anonimous judging would be ruled out.
But I certainly wouldn't mind if the anonimous judging would be ruled out.
To me the most enjoyable freeskate performances were: Asada, Gracie Gold, Yuna Kim and most of all Carolina Kostner.
What a corrupt event this was... Already in the sp Yu-Na Kim was held down by the judges, the differences were too close. The freeskate and the final result should have been Kim, Kostner and Sotnikova.
What a corrupt event this was... Already in the sp Yu-Na Kim was held down by the judges, the differences were too close. The freeskate and the final result should have been Kim, Kostner and Sotnikova.
