2014 Rostelecom Cup Men's Short Program 11/14

[TMC]

I am very sad for Jason. I think he was very underscored! I don't understand why Voronov received 90 points for this program! (Russian judges, of corse) Or Brezina ...

I'm a huge Jason fan and still I thought the judging was very good. Surprisingly good. Jason just made too many mistakes, and Voronov had the skate of his life.

 

[Sabrina]

So there is no long program from Jason tomorrow??? Only the first 6 go on?

 

[balletanddancefan]

"Voronov had the skate of his life. " Exactly. But the skate of his life not worth 90 points.

 

[silverfoxes]

So there is no long program from Jason tomorrow??? Only the first 6 go on?

No...that's just for the Grand Prix Final. The best 6 after all the Grand Prix events go to the final. Everyone skates the long program tomorrow.

 

[TMC]

So there is no long program from Jason tomorrow??? Only the first 6 go on?

No, they all do their free tomorrow

 

[jace93]

So there is no long program from Jason tomorrow??? Only the first 6 go on?

no... in the gp series all the skaters get to skate both Sp and Lp... after the six event the six skaters/couples with most points (ie the best results) get to participate in the final

 

[Violet Bliss]

Well, once again I am completely cross-threaded. I do not understand the love for Voronov's program (Danse Macabre? again? that outfit? and it just didn't seem like either the dead were coming to life or heading back, for me: YMMV), although I am thrilled that an "older" skater did so well. I do love Juke, not just because it's Jason, and I can't help but think that calling it "cutesy" shows a lack of understanding for the 40s African American blues scene. (and what the heck is Jason supposed to do with it. He's cute and he smiles, that's who he is. Thank heavens he's not faking something he's not.)

I am very sad for Jason. I think he was very underscored! I don't understand why Voronov received 90 points for this program! (Russian judges, of corse) Or Brezina ...

Voronov's program has a much higher BV much better executed. That is more legitimately deserving of high scores than cuteness and smiles.

Also, good faking is good acting, aka as expression and interpretation.

 

[silverfoxes]

"Voronov had the skate of his life. " Exactly. But the skate of his life not worth 90 points.

In your opinion. Kovtun's scored 92 before in the SP so why doesn't Voronov, a vastly superior skater, deserve 90?

 

[silverfoxes]

Voronov's program has a much higher BV much better executed. That is more legitimately deserving of high scores than cuteness and smiles.

Also, good faking is good acting, aka as expression and interpretation.

:thumbsup:

 

[chloepoco]

I am very sad for Jason. I think he was very underscored! I don't understand why Voronov received 90 points for this program! (Russian judges, of corse) Or Brezina ...

They were scored on what they put out there--it had nothing to do with "Russian judges".

 

[gmyers]

I am so on edge of my seat to see battle of voronov and Fernandez! Sure Fernandez will have pcs advantage and bv advantage but can have problems. Voronov can have major problems too so sure Fernandez must be favorite but voronov did so well!!

 

[ManyCairns]

Aagh, wanted Max to blow it out this season. Wish Carriere had scored better, too ( haven't watched his program yet tho).

 

[el henry]

Voronov's program has a much higher BV much better executed. That is more legitimately deserving of high scores than cuteness and smiles.

Also, good faking is good acting, aka as expression and interpretation.

Good acting is in the eye of the beholder. Voronov skated much better than Jason today. Voronov did not emote, represent or in any way establish a link to Danse Macabre. Jason on the other hand has consistently represented the Chicago blues idiom in Juke, and represented it well. To dismiss it as cutesy and smiles shows a lack of knowledge of this idiom. Congrats to Voronov, however, on an excellent skate.

 

[silverfoxes]

Well, I think Voronov emotes much more than Kozuka and yet nobody ever takes him to task for it...but these things are in the eye of the beholder. I think Jason and Misha overdo it much of the time (although I don't dislike either of them).

 

[balletanddancefan]

Aagh, wanted Max to blow it out this season. Wish Carriere had scored better, too ( haven't watched his program yet tho).

Carriere too was underscored.

 

[ice coverage]

Good acting is in the eye of the beholder. ... Jason on the other hand has consistently represented the Chicago blues idiom in Juke, and represented it well. To dismiss it as cutesy and smiles shows a lack of knowledge of this idiom. .

But how much knowledge of the Chicago blues idiom should international judges (or even U.S. judges) be expected to have?

As a fan of Jason, I give him the benefit of the doubt that his SP is faithful to the idiom. (I myself lack knowlege of the idiom.)

How much Jason's authenticity would matter to the judges is a separate question.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Good acting is in the eye of the beholder. Voronov skated much better than Jason today. Voronov did not emote, represent or in any way establish a link to Danse Macabre. Jason on the other hand has consistently represented the Chicago blues idiom in Juke, and represented it well. To dismiss it as cutesy and smiles shows a lack of knowledge of this idiom. Congrats to Voronov, however, on an excellent skate.

I was only responding to your post about Jason's cuteness and smiles and how great it was he was not faking anything he was not to support your opinion of him deserving higher score than Voronov.

 

[balletanddancefan]

Good acting is in the eye of the beholder. Voronov skated much better than Jason today. Voronov did not emote, represent or in any way establish a link to Danse Macabre. Jason on the other hand has consistently represented the Chicago blues idiom in Juke, and represented it well. To dismiss it as cutesy and smiles shows a lack of knowledge of this idiom. Congrats to Voronov, however, on an excellent skate.

But do you think that has been the difference 14 points?

 

[ice coverage]

I am very sad for Jason. I think he was very underscored! I don't understand why Voronov received 90 points for this program! (Russian judges, of corse) Or Brezina ...

Exactly ONE judge of the nine is Russian.

And one is American.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus2014/SEG001OF.HTM​

 

[makaihime]

But do you think that has been the difference 14 points?

I haven't had the chance to watch the programs yet but looking at the protocols, the large difference came from TES and has nothing to do with presentation. The execution of each element/levels was better, and the difficulty was higher. So I would warrant that yes.