2016-17 State of Russian Ice Dance

[Ares]

It's telling that only an olympic season is important enough to have a good start to set yourself apart from competitors, as Ilinykh said.

Not taking into account i/K weren't exactly ready at the test skates 2013 ... Russian couples should look prepared at test skates if they ever want to cacth up again; others manage to do this - what is Russian ID doing during the summer break??

I would not look too much into test summer skates whether from this season or some from the past. Meanwhile I am more concerned about steady downfall of Ilinykh / Zhiganshin instead of expected progress. They were better in first starts of 2014 / 2015 when they just teamed up than in whatever serious event this season, they even managed to qualify for GPF. Don't let numbers deceive you like by those in Tallinn Challenger that have big asterisk to them. Rules, requirements, GOE scales all changed from that point. Compare fast & sharp Cup of Russia Pasodoble SD from 2014 - they started that year from mindblowing performance with Bollywood Free Dance from Skate America and that contrast is painful - you don't need to be expert to tell that. I know that Elena was out of shape (bad excuse anyway) but there's no progress from technical point of view if you compare this season to their previous ones.

 

[gmyers]

Stop talking nonesenses the exact thing she says is "А сразу после проката хотелось просто выдохнуть — все получилось. Потом были слезы. Помню, что все два дня до награждения я вообще не выходила из номера. Полное опустошение. Мама звонила, говорила, что надо отметить, а я даже двигаться не могла. Только спала и плакала"
So after she is done with her FD instead of waching other events and getting even more wasted or giving interviews she spent two days resting from all the work and emotion and this is not during practise or season or preparation of the worlds but while waiting for the awarding. I think this was the best thing she can do instead of spending herself even more. You are really twisting her words.
And here is a link to the article so people can read for themselves instead of your biased talkings.

Any translation makes her seem like a very emotional almost too emotional person.

It's telling that only an olympic season is important enough to have a good start to set yourself apart from competitors, as Ilinykh said.

Not taking into account i/K weren't exactly ready at the test skates 2013 ... Russian couples should look prepared at test skates if they ever want to cacth up again; others manage to do this - what is Russian ID doing during the summer break??

Look at I/k levels in the SD at NHK 2013! 2,2,2,2,4! Horrific! They were not ready at the test skates. They were not ready in the gp!

They focus on music and choreo. But not IJS choreo. Just choreo.

I would not look too much into test summer skates whether from this season or some from the past. Meanwhile I am more concerned about steady downfall of Ilinykh / Zhiganshin instead of expected progress. They were better in first starts of 2014 / 2015 when they just teamed up than in whatever serious event this season, they even managed to qualify for GPF. Don't let numbers deceive you like by those in Tallinn Challenger that have big asterisk to them. Rules, requirements, GOE scales all changed from that point. Compare fast & sharp Cup of Russia Pasodoble SD from 2014 - they started that year from mindblowing performance with Bollywood Free Dance from Skate America and that contrast is painful - you don't need to be expert to tell that. I know that Elena was out of shape (bad excuse anyway) but there's no progress from technical point of view if you compare this season to their previous ones.

They have turned into what all kustarova teams do as seniors. Everyone said their initial success was due to kustarova great skill at taking new teams or young skaters and making them do the elements. But then all her weaknesses as a coach of seniors happened with I/Z just like she was running b/s into the ground. Not to mention the Russian federation has not completely adopted IJS for dance. They just haven't. They do 6.0 dance with IJS technical elements.

 

[bramweld]

They have turned into what all kustarova teams do as seniors. Everyone said their initial success was due to kustarova great skill at taking new teams or young skaters and making them do the elements. But then all her weaknesses as a coach of seniors happened with I/Z just like she was running b/s into the ground. Not to mention the Russian federation has not completely adopted IJS for dance. They just haven't. They do 6.0 dance with IJS technical elements.[/QUOTE]

The question is what do they (I/Z) do now? Russia will need a lot of help from other teams to get those three spots back for OG. So its pretty much B/S and S/B for the next couple of seasons until a worthy junior team who meets the FED's liking comes up the ranks.

 

[TGee]

Any translation makes her seem like a very emotional almost too emotional person.



Look at I/k levels in the SD at NHK 2013! 2,2,2,2,4! Horrific! They were not ready at the test skates. They were not ready in the gp!

They focus on music and choreo. But not IJS choreo. Just choreo.



They have turned into what all kustarova teams do as seniors. Everyone said their initial success was due to kustarova great skill at taking new teams or young skaters and making them do the elements. But then all her weaknesses as a coach of seniors happened with I/Z just like she was running b/s into the ground. Not to mention the Russian federation has not completely adopted IJS for dance. They just haven't. They do 6.0 dance with IJS technical elements.

On the emotions, gmyers I think we'll need to disagree. Translations do not unfortunately have the capacity to put the interview in cultural context. An American norm of what would be an appropriate level of emotional response is really very far from a reasonable benchmark for a Russian speaking to Russian media.

The interviewer seems to have focused on the emotional and psychological and Elena was responding to the questions. She could have basically rejected the questions or responded. She decided to respond and was very natural and open in those responses.

Will defer to those who currently live in Russia, but my experience of Russian culture is that both physically [personal space] or emotionally [responses to personal questions] there is either a greater distance with strangers, OR if the decision is to let a person or interviewer "in", there will be more emotional frankness. Personal space: keeping a metre away vs. a big enveloping hug. Expression: Anna Tarasova's self-control for the cameras vs. her intense hand grasps and soft verbal encouragement as Anna P takes the ice for her skates.

One thing that stood out for me was Elena's comments on the other ice dancers. She mentions how Americans, as represented by Meryl and Charlie, are very technical and that she recognizes the need to get to that level. She also mentions Tessa and Scott as the skaters that she measures herself against in terms of expression.

So while it doesn't get a lot of print inches from the author, it's clear to me that Elena is very conscious of the differences in approaches between the RFSA coaching teams and North Americans, and would like to reach a higher standard. Whether her team's coaching support in Russia is on the same page is the question.

 

[gmyers]

They have turned into what all kustarova teams do as seniors. Everyone said their initial success was due to kustarova great skill at taking new teams or young skaters and making them do the elements. But then all her weaknesses as a coach of seniors happened with I/Z just like she was running b/s into the ground. Not to mention the Russian federation has not completely adopted IJS for dance. They just haven't. They do 6.0 dance with IJS technical elements.

The question is what do they (I/Z) do now? Russia will need a lot of help from other teams to get those three spots back for OG. So its pretty much B/S and S/B for the next couple of seasons until a worthy junior team who meets the FED's liking comes up the ranks.[/QUOTE]

Is there really any expectation Russia will have three dance spots for pyeongchang? It's not going to happen. They would need a competition almost 10 times worse than the 2006 Olympics OD. That's what they need to happen.

I/Z can start being honest! It might help them to risk everything and move to the US and train with some nobody and work jobs as coaches to children.

On the emotions, gmyers I think we'll need to disagree. Translations do not unfortunately have the capacity to put the interview in cultural context. An American norm of what would be an appropriate level of emotional response is really very far from a reasonable benchmark for a Russian speaking to Russian media.

The interviewer seems to have focused on the emotional and psychological and Elena was responding to the questions. She could have basically rejected the questions or responded. She decided to respond and was very natural and open in those responses.

Will defer to those who currently live in Russia, but my experience of Russian culture is that both physically [personal space] or emotionally [responses to personal questions] there is either a greater distance with strangers, OR if the decision is to let a person or interviewer "in", there will be more emotional frankness. Personal space: keeping a metre away vs. a big enveloping hug. Expression: Anna Tarasova's self-control for the cameras vs. her intense hand grasps and soft verbal encouragement as Anna P takes the ice for her skates.

One thing that stood out for me was Elena's comments on the other ice dancers. She mentions how Americans, as represented by Meryl and Charlie, are very technical and that she recognizes the need to get to that level. She also mentions Tessa and Scott as the skaters that she measures herself against in terms of expression.

So while it doesn't get a lot of print inches from the author, it's clear to me that Elena is very conscious of the differences in approaches between the RFSA coaching teams and North Americans, and would like to reach a higher standard. Whether her team's coaching support in Russia is on the same page is the question.

I had a feeling that was possible when reading translations but you know you just have to go with what it seems like sometimes.

The last sentence is the key! It clearly is not.

 

[Aqua Lady]

What is this rumor I hear about Sinitsina and Katsalapov finding other people to skate with? S apparently tried out with Egor Bazin and K tried out with Anabelle Morozov... If this is true, all I could say is LOL Karma is really real

 

[Barb]

What is this rumor I hear about Sinitsina and Katsalapov finding other people to skate with? S apparently tried out with Egor Bazin and K tried out with Anabelle Morozov... If this is true, all I could say is LOL Karma is really real

 

[AmyKar3n]

Annabelle allegedly tried out with both Egor Bazin and Nikita, according to the TSL rumor mill. I'm all for a Morozov and Bazin team, I hope that works out. I don't really see why she would want to skate with Nikita, he must be like 10 years older than her and isn't he supposed to be riddled with injury? Also, he's a colossal a**hat.

 

[bramweld]

Annabelle allegedly tried out with both Egor Bazin and Nikita, according to the TSL rumor mill. I'm all for a Morozov and Bazin team, I hope that works out. I don't really see why she would want to skate with Nikita, he must be like 10 years older than her and isn't he supposed to be riddled with injury? Also, he's a colossal a**hat.

This is stranger than science fiction even. Sounds kinda bogus, isn't it? Why go through all THAT!!!

 

[bramweld]

The last sentence is the key! It clearly is not.[/QUOTE]

Craziness, absolute craziness.

 

[AmyKar3n]

Could be bogus, or not, stranger things have happened. TSL has been following Annabelle all year, she has been looking for a partner for awhile.

 

[gmyers]

What is this rumor I hear about Sinitsina and Katsalapov finding other people to skate with? S apparently tried out with Egor Bazin and K tried out with Anabelle Morozov... If this is true, all I could say is LOL Karma is really real

Great! How many ridiculous disaster skates can one team have! But I also blame Russian fed

 

[Aqua Lady]

I don't really see why she would want to skate with Nikita, he must be like 10 years older than her and isn't he supposed to be riddled with injury? Also, he's a colossal a**hat.

It's odd, isn't it? I can't imagine them skating together... And yes, he is an a**. He's to blame for the downfall of his own career. Such an idiot. All my respect for him flew out the window after he did what he did to Elena.

 

[Ares]

Annabelle allegedly tried out with both Egor Bazin and Nikita, according to the TSL rumor mill. I'm all for a Morozov and Bazin team, I hope that works out. I don't really see why she would want to skate with Nikita, he must be like 10 years older than her and isn't he supposed to be riddled with injury? Also, he's a colossal a**hat.

It's like Mexican soap opera, isn't it?!

 

[bramweld]

It's like Mexican soap opera, isn't it?!

 

[Barb]

It's like Mexican soap opera, isn't it?!

oh no, this is a lot better!!!

 

[madison]

oh no, this is a lot better!!!

I don't know about the rumours, but, according to the pics, Sinitsina and Katsalapov are still a couple off ice.
Maybe Anabelle Morozov should try out with Pavel Drozd.

 

[Abraxis12345]

I don't know about the rumours, but, according to the pics, Sinitsina and Katsalapov are still a couple off ice.
Maybe Anabelle Morozov should try out with Pavel Drozd.

Not that it proves anything but Popova and Vlasenko were still an off ice couple when she tried out with Mozgov.

And I'm surprised TSL wasn't looking into why Anthony Ponomarenko was hanging out at Novogorsk with Morozov's skaters earlier in the fall.

 

[Mattieu]

Not that it proves anything but Popova and Vlasenko were still an off ice couple when she tried out with Mozgov.

And I'm surprised TSL wasn't looking into why Anthony Ponomarenko was hanging out at Novogorsk with Morozov's skaters earlier in the fall.

ooh, Annabelle and Ponomarenko

 

[Aqua Lady]

ooh, Annabelle and Ponomarenko

I don't know about that... But I happen to like Carreira and Ponomarenko together. I think they will go very far.