2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating

[lyverbird1]

Can't wait to see Elena, so much suspense waiting to see what she can produce and what the programme will be! Really excited!!!

 

[hippomoomin]

It seems Yulia is back, at least her SP showed great promise. And she is back to the stick figure she was in 2014.

Elena looks pretty much the same, not loosing her jumps, not perfect either.

 

[NaVi]

Yulia's ability to do an SP has never really been in doubt...

 

[Khoai]

The scoring here is quite tame compared to men.

 

[mish]

It seems Yulia is back, at least her SP showed great promise. And she is back to the stick figure she was in 2014.

At this point, it's all about free skate for Julia. As things have been going lately, she can score 80+ in the short and still be an underdog in LP.
Good luck, Yulchik!

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Physically, Julia appears to be in very good shape and her 3-3 was very strong. I like the new, slight variations on her spin positions but her spin GOE was a bit up and down for some reason. However, when Anna followed you could see how much of a greater presence she is on the ice than Julia. I don't know how Julia catches her if Anna hits the jumps.

 

[coldblueeyes]

Physically, Julia appears to be in very good shape and her 3-3 was very strong. I like the new, slight variations on her spin positions but her spin GOE was a bit up and down for some reason. However, when Anna followed you could see how much of a greater presence she is on the ice than Julia. I don't know how Julia catches her if Anna hits the jumps.

Yulia went back to her 3T+3T combo, otherwise her BV is higher than Anna's. She's still a slower, and today Yulia lost a whole point in her "easier" BV, a level on the FCSp and one in the step sequence. She has work to do if she wants to be competitive with the rest of the russian field, but I think her most pressing concern is not bombing in the FS anymore. Her work for now is to build momentum.

In the FS she's not even going to jump any 3-3 - recent injury problems affected her, but she's still trying a seven triple layout, probably. Let's wait and see what happens.

 

[lavoix]

I still don't understand why Yulia's SP score was so low and why those levels were downgraded, but she was really looking good!

Such a shame about the LP, the last thing she wants is another injury. These sort of things (stopping mid way through the exercise) damage the skater's reputation a little I think.

 

[Manitou]

Posted this on Yulia's fan forum, which probably is not the right place. I apologize.

Since yesterday, I noticed, I have been avoiding any coverage of the ladies FS. I rewatched the dances, the men, read and analyzed various all performances, all except the ladies. I noticed this Yulia's drama have started hitting the bystanders: Elena, Anna, Courtney, even Zhenya. I simply avoid everything with ladies!
So now I say to myself: one person's drama cannot affect other competitors. That's it! If Yulia cannot handle stress then don't bother your fans and quit! The sport is not for her! I am tired of this "poor Yulia" nonsense. She's is an adult, it's her problem. If a skater cannot pull one five minutes performance in three years then quit! Do something else in your life.

Tennis players play many hours brutal matches every other day. Soccer players fight like gladiators twice a week. Skiers run on the verge of death on almost vertical ice slopes every day. Pro-dancers learn new exhausting choreos in matter of days and perform every day. But if someone now cannot pull single five minutes once per three years then maybe don't bother. Go away. There are other ladies: more determined, mentally stronger.

 

[puremagic]

Posted this on Yulia's fan forum, which probably is not the right place. I apologize.

I have to agree but there was a real injury. She never lose her spins like that - https://youtu.be/va9IKlmVXEc?t=1m50
She just dropped her leg and in this moment at her face we can see her pain. Or something like not understanding what was happend.
So except psyhological moment, she doubled her problem by this injury. Poor girl indeed.

 

[surimi]

I am tired of this "poor Yulia" nonsense. She's is an adult, it's her problem. If a skater cannot pull one five minutes performance in three years then quit! Do something else in your life.

Isn't this assessment a bit unfair? She skated the SP without mistakes, and she might have skated a clean LP too for all we know, if it hadn't been for her getting injured halfway through. It's not like she chose to get injured. Are you really saying you have no sympathy for an athlete who gets hurt in a competition, just because they struggled the previous two seasons?

 

[noidont]

Yulia probably has a nerve problem in her back. I remember Liza had one of those she later said some massage specialist solved.

 

[andromache]

Uhhhhh I don't understand Manitou's entire post. At all. Are they suggesting that Yulia was unable to finish her program due to a reason other than actual injury?

How tasteless. Athletes get injured. It doesn't make them less tough or admirable than any of their fellow competitors.

 

[mrrice]

This totally doesn't belong here but, I couldn't find the page for the Russian Men. I just wanted to say that I loved watching Mikhail Kolyada skate at COR and that he reminds me of Ilia Kulik. Smooth and beautiful.

 

[Amei]

Posted this on Yulia's fan forum, which probably is not the right place. I apologize.

Since yesterday, I noticed, I have been avoiding any coverage of the ladies FS. I rewatched the dances, the men, read and analyzed various all performances, all except the ladies. I noticed this Yulia's drama have started hitting the bystanders: Elena, Anna, Courtney, even Zhenya. I simply avoid everything with ladies!
So now I say to myself: one person's drama cannot affect other competitors. That's it! If Yulia cannot handle stress then don't bother your fans and quit! The sport is not for her! I am tired of this "poor Yulia" nonsense. She's is an adult, it's her problem. If a skater cannot pull one five minutes performance in three years then quit! Do something else in your life.

Tennis players play many hours brutal matches every other day. Soccer players fight like gladiators twice a week. Skiers run on the verge of death on almost vertical ice slopes every day. Pro-dancers learn new exhausting choreos in matter of days and perform every day. But if someone now cannot pull single five minutes once per three years then maybe don't bother. Go away. There are other ladies: more determined, mentally stronger.

A) As you said Yulia is an adult, so it's her decision when to quit/continue skating - granted she was injured and I do question her coach or someone not pulling the plug on her FS yesterday when she stopped due to injury.

B) You seem to apply the 'adult' and 'handling a performance' comment on a one-way street for Yulia. Anna and Courtney are both older than Yulia, and Elena is only about 6 months younger than her and Zhenya wasn't even skating yesterday & from what's been rumored on the board, there isn't exactly friendship between the 2 of them --- I would you would take the approach if they can't compartmentalize that another skater is having a problem, a skater whom you think is incapable of performing so it should be a no-brainer to them that she has an issue, then they should quit figure skating as well...

 

[Amei]

Uhhhhh I don't understand Manitou's entire post. At all. Are they suggesting that Yulia was unable to finish her program due to a reason other than actual injury?

How tasteless. Athletes get injured. It doesn't make them less tough or admirable than any of their fellow competitors.

It's come out now that Yulia, thankfully, only had a leg cramp, and on Yulia's fan thread there was some talk that stress can cause cramping. I think Manitou is saying that if Yulia can't handle it then she should get out of figure skating.....granted, if her other competitors can't handle another skater getting injured I would think by the tone of Manitou's post that Yulia's competitors should leave the sport as well.

 

[Amei]

This totally doesn't belong here but, I couldn't find the page for the Russian Men. I just wanted to say that I loved watching Mikhail Kolyada skate at COR and that he reminds me of Ilia Kulik. Smooth and beautiful.

I agree, everyone was saying that on the board last year after Worlds, he's quickly become one of my favorite men to watch.

 

[Weathergal]

Posted this on Yulia's fan forum, which probably is not the right place. I apologize.

Since yesterday, I noticed, I have been avoiding any coverage of the ladies FS. I rewatched the dances, the men, read and analyzed various all performances, all except the ladies. I noticed this Yulia's drama have started hitting the bystanders: Elena, Anna, Courtney, even Zhenya. I simply avoid everything with ladies!
So now I say to myself: one person's drama cannot affect other competitors. That's it! If Yulia cannot handle stress then don't bother your fans and quit! The sport is not for her! I am tired of this "poor Yulia" nonsense. She's is an adult, it's her problem. If a skater cannot pull one five minutes performance in three years then quit! Do something else in your life.

Tennis players play many hours brutal matches every other day. Soccer players fight like gladiators twice a week. Skiers run on the verge of death on almost vertical ice slopes every day. Pro-dancers learn new exhausting choreos in matter of days and perform every day. But if someone now cannot pull single five minutes once per three years then maybe don't bother. Go away. There are other ladies: more determined, mentally stronger.

I don't even understand this post. Why on earth are you taking it so personally? And knowing there was an injury makes this post rather silly. Plus she had already been injured earlier in the season.

Many people wrote off Anna Pogorilaya (even questioning if she should be on the World team), called her a headcase, finished, etc. The reigning World bronze medalist and recent Rostelecom gold medalist seems to be doing just fine. I hope for similar great things for Yulia.

 

[moriel]

I dont see why Yulia should retire, as she does well (while she is not as sucessful as some of her teammates, compare her to 100500 other skaters who dont even have a chance for a GP assignment)... Unless, of course, the health issues are serious and she has to choose between staying healthy and skating. This is why i think Plushy should never come back to competitive skating =P
The fact she had some issues doesnt mean she should retire - because then maybe everybody who doesnt have a chance to win an OGM, lets say, should retire, and we have around 5 people in each discipline?

 

[mish]

So now I say to myself: one person's drama cannot affect other competitors. That's it! If Yulia cannot handle stress then don't bother your fans and quit!

1. If other competitors can't handle stress coming from opponent's injury, maybe they should quit themselves?

2. It would be so kind, if you let Yulia fans decide what is and what isn't bothering them and if they wish or wish not Yulia to stop her career. Thank you in advance for that. :thumbsup: