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I would also add to your list 10yo Yana Liventseva: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OftPhmpbIOs&list=LLPJ2zUs6uMFglyxA-E8XeXg&index=29
2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating
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I don't see Yulia displacing any of last year's team, but I don't know if Lena is safe from Liza (with a 3A). That will be an interesting battle for the 3rd spot.She looked great in her recent SP and in the LP until she had her physical issue. Still, it's hard for me to see her displacing any of the women from last year's team. Evgenia, Anna, and Elena are all very solid competitors and now have a substantial PCS edge over Julia too. Maybe Julia can marry an American and have our 3rd spot
Well, the standard transliteration is widely used, and its a good go for whenever you have no clue how the skater's name is spelled. English translit is usually close to it too.
Using standard translit would get you way closer to the correct spelling of their names if you couldn't google it.
I would understand a Yulia / Julia / Iulia thing... But C instead of TS? C its not even close to the correct pronunciation. Šč?
You are just plain rude, sorry >.> Please next time bother to spend 5 minutes googlying correct names to show some respect for skaters and for fellow fans.
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Just wondering when was last competition that Evgenia fell on a jump? I have seen her a lot since last year and do not recall any falls. This is uncharacteristic I believe. But she is human after all. I don't think her PCS is so above many others. I don't see her as unbeatable if she makes mistakes. Personally I enjoyed Laurine more. I never saw her before and liked her program very much and her fluid skating. Lovely style from a lady no one talks about.
I enjoy Mao so much despite her under rotations. So sad to see her marked so low hen she is so beautiful to watch. Laurine and Wakaba impressed me much. As far a Russian ladies go I vote for Anna if she goes clean over Evgenia and Maria was lovely. So nice to see a good spiral extension however brief. That girl is" pretty in pink." Enjoyed her very much. Cannot imagine Russian Nationals this year!!!
I enjoy Mao so much despite her under rotations. So sad to see her marked so low hen she is so beautiful to watch. Laurine and Wakaba impressed me much. As far a Russian ladies go I vote for Anna if she goes clean over Evgenia and Maria was lovely. So nice to see a good spiral extension however brief. That girl is" pretty in pink." Enjoyed her very much. Cannot imagine Russian Nationals this year!!!
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As I posted in her Fan Fest yesterday, Evgenia has fallen several times. In fact, she fell in nearly all of her major international competitions last year.
She fell at both of her GP events (Skate America & Rostelecom Cup), fell at the European Championships, and just recently fell in France.
I guess Evgenia is so good that people forget about her mistakes...
I think most of these translitterations were made wrong and became popular over time.
ЦСКА is known internationally as CSKA, and the logo says CSKA, not TSKA. That C should probably have the cedilla cause i've seen some slavic languages (serbian for instance) using ç as ц.
As I posted in her Fan Fest yesterday, Evgenia has fallen several times. In fact, she fell in nearly all of her major international competitions last year.
She fell at both of her GP events (Skate America & Rostelecom Cup), fell at the European Championships, and just recently fell in France.
I guess Evgenia is so good that people forget about her mistakes...
Her falls aren't that costly: she never missed her 3-3s in the long program, while in the short she fell a couple of times on the 3F in the past but that wasn't so much important considering she can land the 3-3 anyway 10-15 seconds later.
Also whenever she makes a mistake usually that's the only mistake in the entire program, while other skaters makes few mistakes here and there with URs or rough landings, so the fall can make the difference.
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The thing is Evgenia does fall a lot but her mistakes are never as costly because she fights though the rest of the program and doesn't let it show. Other skaters normally make multiple mistakes compared to her one. She's never had a meltdown so it makes her appear like she's always perfect when in fact she hasn't been. Her mistakes are thinly spread out. If she has been perfect its been at the very moment when it REALLY mattered the most (GPF, Worlds, nationals) and when the eyes on her are the heaviest. That also contributes to the "Evgenia never falls or has big mistakes" idea.
Uhm, this gets right up my nose....
There are three standard and scholarly accepted transliteration systems from Russian and Ukrainian Cyrillic into the Latin alphabet... Nothing particularly more scientific or standard about using the one system among the three that does not actually correlate to English phonological norms. The one you have chosen, to my ear [which is trained to English and French as well as eastern slavic languages], has a central European orientation.
And in Canada and the United States, folks have a choice [unlike in the days of Pier 21 and Staten Island immigration controls] to choose how they transliterate for legal purposes. For those of us with parents and grandparents that had their Cyrillic baptismal names forced into constantly mispronounced English versions, respecting folks choices about how they want their names to appear in the Latin alphabet is an issue of more sensitivity than you may be aware.
So, even if I might transliterate Evgeni [Plushenko] or Yulia [Lipnitskaya] differently, I follow the versions on their official websites and twitter accounts...
....And I think that it is awful that ISU does not respect skaters' choices in the transliterations it uses. This is particularly problematic when the transliterations don't match their legal names abroad and folks receive invitations to come to a country that don't match their legal names [i.e. when they've immigrated an are travelling on a passport from their new country.]
But on point of this thread, ISU's persistence in choosing how to spell folks names, is likely the single major reason why the media and fans aren't sure what's the right one to use...
BTW Russian NHL players actually officially protested the transliterations that were forced upon them by the International Ice Hockey Federation, and a new [fourth] modern simplified transcription system into English was developed and adopted for hockey..Still no choice, but more phonological than the previous one...
http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/TranscriptionRUS.pdf
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You forgot Sotskova though that seems pretty strong in first senior season (I am assuming that she's age eligible now for possible European Championships?)
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Sotskova is eligible for Euros and Worlds
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The thing that is so admirable about Evgenia is that she can put her mistakes in a box and leave them behind, they never affect the rest of the program. Even though she fell in the LP in France 10 seconds later I had forgotten she fell. It's pretty amazing.
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As I posted in her Fan Fest yesterday, Evgenia has fallen several times. In fact, she fell in nearly all of her major international competitions last year.
She fell at both of her GP events (Skate America & Rostelecom Cup), fell at the European Championships, and just recently fell in France.
I guess Evgenia is so good that people forget about her mistakes...
I almost immediately forget her falls. For me she is just too fun to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_transliteration_of_Cyrillic. I follow ISO-9. The one that I normally use in linguistics.
Helpful for a linguist or a central European, but this isn't a standard for transliteration into English ...which is the language of this forum.
I should note that the ISO transliterations wouldn't be accepted in an English language scientific publications other than linguistics. Non English accents and diacritical marks aren't permitted...Most journals insist on either standard UK or US English alphabet and spellings etc [which is enough of a challenge for Canadians as we have our own norms, and include French accents on imported words.]
This ISO standard is truly not intelligible for a native English speaker, so ideally in my view we should use in this forum a transliteration method that is intended for English.
The British System and BGN are generally most likely to generate something an English speaker can produce. The new IIHF system for transliterating names was developed by linguists to meet criteria of simplicity and accurate English pronounciation. I have found that it is the most realistic...other systems are likely to have anglophones breaking vowel groups into separate syllables [e.g. 'ia' is invariably said "ee-ah" but ya is said, "yah"]
But better yet rely on the transliteration standard preferred by the person who's name we are using.
Seriously though, choice of spelling for folks names from Cyrillic or other non-Latin alphabets is a significant human dignity ...almost human rights issue here. People do not accept that a government, let alone some administrative body should have any role in telling someone how to spell his or her name. These things were imposed on immigrants, and even birth records here in the past and this was seen as disrespectful and contemptuous of non-English or non-French ethnicities.
And so North Americans are okay that we have Alexi, Alexei or Aleksey just like we have Kaetlyn, Kaitlyn, Catelyn, Caitlin, and Katelin....or Alice and Alys.....And we expect folks to try to learn the "right way' for that person and respect it...
Honestly, in first pos, i used standard for "the transliteration that is commonly used". Such as in case of CSKA, their own website uses this.
Tsurskaya is never spelled with "C" though, ISU, Wiki, everything has it with TS. And most likely the way her name is spelled in her documents is with TS.
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Based on how they're skating at this point in time, I would put Maria ahead of Liza and Elena. Liza's programs are a mess and Elena's jumps are a mess. Maria didn't seem extraordinary at TDF, but she's on the right track. But the judges at CoR loved Elena (we will see how things go at CoC) and Liza with a 3A could change things up.
Yulia is a question mark. The skating she was able to execute at CoR was, IMO, at a higher level than Liza and Elena, but we don't know if she can skate a competent LP just yet. I'm personally rooting for her but I'm not sure I would bet money on her.
It'll be interesting to see how both Liza and Elena are scored at CoC, especially in comparison to one another. I guess I hope Liza hits her 3A, but I also hope she skates well overall! She shouldn't need to depend on a 3A to win, she didn't need it in 2015, and I think the strategy to rely on it is ultimately hurting her skating and results in the long run.
Yulia is a question mark. The skating she was able to execute at CoR was, IMO, at a higher level than Liza and Elena, but we don't know if she can skate a competent LP just yet. I'm personally rooting for her but I'm not sure I would bet money on her.
It'll be interesting to see how both Liza and Elena are scored at CoC, especially in comparison to one another. I guess I hope Liza hits her 3A, but I also hope she skates well overall! She shouldn't need to depend on a 3A to win, she didn't need it in 2015, and I think the strategy to rely on it is ultimately hurting her skating and results in the long run.
I think the scientific transliteration for Цурская is Curskaja. For the pronunciation is the ISU transliteration Tsurskaya correct.
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Basically, nobody uses scientific except for linguists, because ugh special characters that are commonly not permitted =)
Tsurskaya, for english speakers is for sure a more friendly version (easier to get something close to actual pronunciation), and also its likely what it is in her passport (based on russian passport transliteration rules).
Yes. If we want to be very correct, the pronunciantion (for English speakers) IMO is Tsurrskaya.
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