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Veronik Mallet WD from SC: http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028741.htm 
2016-2017 Grand Prix selections
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Yes.
I did see that thread. Thanks for creating it.
I think the difference between my suggestion and yours is that I would let the host country keep it's host spots and choosing power, but have alternates on a set list that the host fed couldn't meddle with in case of WD. Other spots could be filled by non-host members for non-host spots. For example, if a Chinese pair WD from Skate America then an alternate from any country except the US would be called in, and this would be someone from the ranked alternate list. But if an American pair WD from Skate America, the US would have the option of calling in an American pair from the ranked list of alternates. I guess host countries have this privilege of host spots given to them to make up for the burden of hosting GP events, so I wouldn't take it away. Just make it a bit fairer. I say fairer because I see the practices the FFSG engages in by not inviting skaters ranked higher who could beat their own when a WD happens.
It isn't just the French fed that picks lower echelon skaters as substitutes. At one time or another, probably every host has done it.
Anyway, there are limitations when it comes to the 'replacement' list (which is based on the Seasons Best list). For example, if the top skater on the list is from a country which is already represented by 3 skaters at that host, that skater can't be chosen. Or if the next skater already has an assignment at that host, or if the next skater already has two assignments, etc.
Sometimes hosts pick skaters with the lower transport costs, because the host country has to pick up the costs of getting the skater to the venue. That's probably why Russia picked Anastasia Galustyan as a substitute---she lives and trains in Russia.
OTOH, France picked Anastasia because, well, we know why
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It isn't just the French fed that picks lower echelon skaters as substitutes. At one time or another, probably every host has done it.
Anyway, there are limitations when it comes to the 'replacement' list (which is based on the Seasons Best list). For example, if the top skater on the list is from a country which is already represented by 3 skaters at that host, that skater can't be chosen. Or if the next skater already has an assignment at that host, or if the next skater already has two assignments, etc.
Sometimes hosts pick skaters with the lower transport costs, because the host country has to pick up the costs of getting the skater to the venue. That's probably why Russia picked Anastasia Galustyan as a substitute---she lives and trains in Russia.
OTOH, France picked Anastasia because, well, we know why
It's very obvious with FFSG though. They don't even try.
The alternates list wouldn't be made by those who don't know the selection rules in the first place. The ISU does have some competent people.
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US fed and Rus fed should make some deal on Mariah Bell in Rostelekom since P. Edmunds has withdrawn. I understand skating like in Chicago she's a threat to Russian girls, but all parts of skating society should see the bigger picture as well: finally some new appealing, solid new American skater appeared - supporting this girl and the interest across the ocean can only help in developing the sport everywhere.
Those fed guys should really work out some informal way to react in circumstances like Bell's popping out of nowhere, while having no 2nd assignment. Hopefully they already did.
Those fed guys should really work out some informal way to react in circumstances like Bell's popping out of nowhere, while having no 2nd assignment. Hopefully they already did.
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well, not to burst your bubble, but in case you haven't seen it, Osmond, a few years back, popped out of nowhere winning Skate Canada.... all season, she waited for a second assignment. Turns out there was a free spot at NHK.... Everyone was talking about it... will she get it.. etc.... is Skate Canada working on this the Japanese federation... turns out they didn't even invite anyone. They really don't have to fill in the spots, if ever one of them even gets free.
US fed and Rus fed should make some deal on Mariah Bell in Rostelekom since P. Edmunds has withdrawn. I understand skating like in Chicago she's a threat to Russian girls, but all parts of skating society should see the bigger picture as well: finally some new appealing, solid new American skater appeared - supporting this girl and the interest across the ocean can only help in developing the sport everywhere. Right now, Russia has no spot open. They have given Polina's spot already. Cup of China and NHK already have 3 americans... so there's no way a 4th one would be invited.. however, one of those Americans could withdraw... then we would see if they decide or not to invite someone....but honestly, why would Japan invite Mariah? Mai finished just below Mariah at SA and they will want to protect her chances.
Anyways, we will see but it's not likely Mariah will get another chance. I wish her all the best and she certainly deserves it but yeah...
Those fed guys should really work out some informal way to react in circumstances like Bell's popping out of nowhere, while having no 2nd assignment. Hopefully they already did.
A very stupid system
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yup... for sure... politics and sports... what else is new
IIRC, Mirai Nagasu got the spot at NHK that Osmond hoped for.
As for Mariah possibly getting Edmund's spot at NHK, it's not exactly a done deal that she'd medal again there.
The competition is much stiffer than it was at SA. This is the last GP and most of the top competitors will have had more than one competition before NHK and should have worked out the kinks.
Mai MIHARA is not skating at NHK, though. But Wakaba HIGUCHI and Satoko MIYAHARA will be tough on home ice, and POGORILAYA should be in better shape than she was at Finlandia. SOTSKOVA always puts forth her best efforts, and NAGASU can't be dismissed out of hand.
As for Mariah possibly getting Edmund's spot at NHK, it's not exactly a done deal that she'd medal again there.
The competition is much stiffer than it was at SA. This is the last GP and most of the top competitors will have had more than one competition before NHK and should have worked out the kinks.
Mai MIHARA is not skating at NHK, though. But Wakaba HIGUCHI and Satoko MIYAHARA will be tough on home ice, and POGORILAYA should be in better shape than she was at Finlandia. SOTSKOVA always puts forth her best efforts, and NAGASU can't be dismissed out of hand.
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US fed and Rus fed should make some deal on Mariah Bell in Rostelekom since P. Edmunds has withdrawn. I understand skating like in Chicago she's a threat to Russian girls, but all parts of skating society should see the bigger picture as well: finally some new appealing, solid new American skater appeared - supporting this girl and the interest across the ocean can only help in developing the sport everywhere.
Those fed guys should really work out some informal way to react in circumstances like Bell's popping out of nowhere, while having no 2nd assignment. Hopefully they already did.
Polina's spot is already filled. There is no deal to be made since the only open spot left so far is SC and SC is not obligated to fill that spot since they are less than 2 days away before the start of that competition http://static.isu.org/media/1001/gp_ladies_16-10-26.pdf
They do have to pick replacements under certain circumstances...
From the GP Series announcement PDF:
Note that they mention an official alternates list... I wish they would publish that list (or if it is published already, put it someplace I can actually find it easily...! :-D)
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when this happened to Osmond, the other skater (I don't remember who it was) withdrew late enough so that they didn't have to replace her..... eventhough Osmond was ready to go on a short notice.
In the 2012-2013 GP series, there were 10 slots for single skaters and 8 for pairs and dance. NHK started that year on 11/23. The rule was that replacements had to be made if the withdrawal occurred more than 10 days before the start of the event.
On 11/12/2012, Polina SHELEPEN withdrew with injury and was replaced with Mirai NAGASU.
On 11/14/2012, Alissa CZISNY withdrew with injury and was not replaced.
The rule was followed---11 days for Shelepen's withdrawal and 9 days for Czisny's.
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Oh wow, Sota again? He is having just the worst luck with injuries; two seasons in a row!:sad21:
If Anastasia Galustyan can get 2 GP's, wonder why Ivett Toth, Viveca Lindfors, Nathalie Weinzerl or Lutricia Bock didn't get considered for one of those spots? Their scores have been similar to date and none of their countries have reps in GP at the moment.
Should Yulia or Polina not be fit in time for their 2nd GP's, I'd hope that Mariah Bell could get a 2nd slot, or Kim Na Hyun. Or, failing which, one of those European skaters (especially Ivett or Viveca).
Should Yulia or Polina not be fit in time for their 2nd GP's, I'd hope that Mariah Bell could get a 2nd slot, or Kim Na Hyun. Or, failing which, one of those European skaters (especially Ivett or Viveca).
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Not sure about others, but Lutricia Bock skated in JGP series, so she can't be chosen for senior GP.
