2016 Team Challenge Cup - Gen Info/Pre-chat

[ice coverage]

did we confirm that they are allowing???? ...

The TCC announcement seems clear to me that skaters are allowed to decline invitations to TCC.

It simply says that if a skater invited to TCC b/c of ISU World Standings chooses to decline, then X will happen. (I'm paraphrasing, but the idea is that the next skater who would be in line based on ISU World Standings will get invited instead.)

And simply says that if a skater invited to TCC b/c of fan voting chooses to decline, then Y will happen. (I'm paraphrasing, but the idea is that the next skater who would be in line based on fan voting will get invited instead.)

Don't see anything about penalizing skaters who decline TCC invitations.

 

[TheGrandSophy]

Honestly, ladies and gents, the announcement that I posted with all the details really isn't that long or deep to at least skim read and would answer so many of these queries. It is on page 11, post 157.

 

[ice coverage]

Honestly, ladies and gents, the announcement that I posted with all the details really isn't that long or deep to at least skim read and would answer so many of these queries. It is on page 11, post 157.

:agree: And thanks to TheGrandSophy, earlier today I added the link for the Announcement to the OP for easy access.

As TGS said, it is not difficult to read. Ten pages broken down into sections with clear headings.

Reading/scanning the original thing for oneself would be preferable by far, IMO, so I've tried to keep copying-and-pasting/spoonfeeding to a minimum.

 

[Mathman]

I'd like to see "Team North America" expanded to have more countries and Australia seemed like one that maybe we would all get along and enjoy being together...

I don't think many people really think of Australia/much of Oceania as Asian so it just comes down to how you want to divide stuff up….

I think the category would be "former British colonies." It would comprise USA. Canada, Australia, India, Kenya…

 

[karne]

With all due respect, Yuzu is a big boy and can take care of himself. He actually has the power, not JSF. If he declines things, what are they going to do? "Off" their top guy? Don't think so.

JSF could always pull a RFSF when they decided they wanted to punish Plushenko...but that would be quite the aggressive move, and to be honest, I think the crazed Hanyu fans are frightening enough now, without giving them something to really riot over.

I don't think many people really think of Australia/much of Oceania as Asian so it just comes down to how you want to divide stuff up. Forgive me, but Australia is kinda far from most figure skating. Personally id like to see more skaters have a chance to be seen, so i would like to see these skaters been seen. I would be fine with giving them a choice as it is good for the sport and who really cares if for the first few years there is some experimentation as to where they most synergisticly fit in.

For sure. Assuming Australia is not explicitly mentioned in the announcement, however, it would seem that his competition has specifically excluded us. Which is...insulting and frustrating simultaneously. However, given the...shall we say, general attitude - look at the abuse Brooklee still cops for "not being a real Australian" from various idiots - I would be staunchly against Team Australia's inclusion with Team North America. It's already bad enough that Ryan Bradley's idiot commentary moment where he said that Brendan was born in the US made it into the Australian broadcast of Skate America!

I think the category would be "former British colonies." It would comprise USA. Canada, Australia, India, Kenya…

GO TEAM COMMONWEALTH!

 

[solar]

I'm curious about who the 2nd/3rd Team Asia pair would be? Apparently there aren't any asian pairs aside from Chinese pairs that can qualify for the Team Challenge Cup except for the senior pair from north korea who will probably decline the invitation...

 

[WeakAnkles]

Honestly, ladies and gents, the announcement that I posted with all the details really isn't that long or deep to at least skim read and would answer so many of these queries. It is on page 11, post 157.

Holy Unreasonable Expectations, Batman! They actually expect us to READ AN ANNOUNCEMENT!!!! Pfft!

 

[seabm7]

I'm curious about who the 2nd/3rd Team Asia pair would be? Apparently there aren't any asian pairs aside from Chinese pairs that can qualify for the Team Challenge Cup except for the junior pair from north korea who will probably decline the invitation...

Correction: The North Korean team, Ryom/Kim, is senior. This season they competed at Ice Challenge 2015. You might have confused them with a South Korean junior team, Kim/Kam, who broke up recently.

 

[solar]

Correction: The North Korean team, Ryom/Kim, is senior. This season they competed at Ice Challenge 2015. You might have confused them with a South Korean junior team, Kim/Kam, who broke up recently.

I meant Ryom/Kim, but I thought they were juniors instead of seniors for some reason . (When I heard that Kim/Kam split, I was really upset because they had lots of potential.) R/K and K/K were the only two pairs that qualified to be sent in as the 2nd team asia pair, but obviously K/K can't go as they have split, and I highly doubt R/K will be able to attend. I guess I'm just wondering who will be sent in as the 2nd/3rd team Asia pair, or if they will only send in one...

 

[CoyoteChris]

Remember, when you get back from Worlds, vote for GRACIE GOLD. Just askin':luv17:
Selection Process
ISU World Standings (as of January 1, 2016) will be used to determine the 2016 Team Challenge Cup field of competitors. The top two singles skaters (ladies and men) and top two pairs and ice dance teams from each continent will be invited to participate at the 2016 Team Challenge Cup.

*The top two invited athletes/teams may not be from the same country.

The final singles athletes (ladies and men) for each team will be determined by a fan vote. Up to five skaters (both ladies and men) will be nominated by the Team Captains from those skaters who are entered in the 2016 ISU World Figure Skating Championships. Online fan voting will begin immediately following the announcement of the Captain’s Picks and will conclude one week after the 2016 World Championships. The top male and female vote getters from each continent will be invited to compete.

 

[solar]

Remember, when you get back from Worlds, vote for GRACIE GOLD. Just askin':luv17:
Selection Process
ISU World Standings (as of January 1, 2016) will be used to determine the 2016 Team Challenge Cup field of competitors. The top two singles skaters (ladies and men) and top two pairs and ice dance teams from each continent will be invited to participate at the 2016 Team Challenge Cup.

*The top two invited athletes/teams may not be from the same country.

The final singles athletes (ladies and men) for each team will be determined by a fan vote. Up to five skaters (both ladies and men) will be nominated by the Team Captains from those skaters who are entered in the 2016 ISU World Figure Skating Championships. Online fan voting will begin immediately following the announcement of the Captain’s Picks and will conclude one week after the 2016 World Championships. The top male and female vote getters from each continent will be invited to compete.

Do we know who the qualifiers will most likely be from each team then?

 

[ice coverage]

Remember, when you get back from Worlds, vote for GRACIE GOLD. Just askin':luv17: ...

No worries about Gracie -- she won't need our votes.
She will receive an automatic invite on Jan 1, b/c she is the highest-ranked North American lady in the ISU World Standings.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Do we know who the qualifiers will most likely be from each team then?

The way this works is Team Capt. Kristy Yamaguchi will select five women from North America who entered Worlds....then we all get to vote on which of those five women get to show up in Spokane! We havent been told WHO gets to vote yet...ie...who is a fan.....I will ask Mathman how I can vote 12,432 times...he is pretty smart...we shall figure out something!

 

[ice coverage]

.... Selection Process
ISU World Standings (as of January 1, 2016) will be used to determine the 2016 Team Challenge Cup field of competitors. The top two singles skaters (ladies and men) and top two pairs and ice dance teams from each continent will be invited to participate at the 2016 Team Challenge Cup.

*The top two invited athletes/teams may not be from the same country....

Do we know who the qualifiers will most likely be from each team then?

Most of the skaters will be invited on the basis of their ISU World Standings -- per the section of Chris' OP that I have quoted.

For those invited on the basis of their ISU World Standings:

... Invitations to athletes who qualify for 2016 Team Challenge Cup are expected to go out the week of Jan. 4. ...
http://usfigureskating.org/Story.asp?id=51725&type=media (Dec 29 press release)​

solar, take a look at the ISU World Standings (as of now) to see the first two men and first two ladies who will qualify for each team. Also the two pairs and two dance couples who will qualify.

For instance, Gracie is the highest lady from North America in the ISU World Standings, so she will be invited.
The second lady on Team North America is not allowed to be from the same country as Gracie. (Meaning Ashley will not be invited to be the second lady. But it is possible that Ashley will end up being the third lady, if she is nominated and if she wins the fan voting.)

The second lady invited for Team North America will be Gabby Daleman, who is the highest lady from Canada in the ISU World Standings.

Skaters are not required to accept invitations, but Gracie already was announced as an official ambassador of TCC, so presumably she will accept her invitation to compete.

... The final singles athletes (ladies and men) for each team will be determined by a fan vote. Up to five skaters (both ladies and men) will be nominated by the Team Captains from those skaters who are entered in the 2016 ISU World Figure Skating Championships. Online fan voting will begin immediately following the announcement of the Captain’s Picks and will conclude one week after the 2016 World Championships. The top male and female vote getters from each continent will be invited to compete.

The way this works is Team Capt. Kristy Yamaguchi will select five women from North America who entered Worlds....then we all get to vote on which of those five women get to show up in Spokane! We havent been told WHO gets to vote yet...ie...who is a fan.....

The third man and third lady for each team will be determined by fan voting, as explained by Chris.

 

[solar]

Thanks

After some searching, I found this blog that mentioned who the qualifiers would be based on the current world standings.

TEAM EUROPE

Men: Javier Fernandez (ESP), Sergei Voronov (RUS), 3rd skater TBD
Ladies: Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (RUS), Roberta Rodeghiero (ITA), 3rd skater TBD
Pairs: Ksenia Stolbova/Fedor Klimov (RUS), Nicole Della Monica/Matteo Guarise (ITA)
Dance: Anna Cappellini/Luca Lanotte (ITA), Gabriella Papadakis/Guillaume Cizeron (FRA)

TEAM NORTH AMERICA

Men: Jason Brown (USA), Nam Nguyen (CAN), 3rd skater TBD
Ladies: Gracie Gold (USA), Gabrielle Daleman (CAN), 3rd skater TBD
Pairs: Meagan Duhamel/Eric Radford (CAN), Alexa Scimeca/Chris Knierim (USA)
Dance: Kaitlyn Weaver/Andrew Poje (CAN), Madison Chock/Evan Bates (USA)

TEAM ASIA

Men: Yuzuru Hanyu (JPN), Denis Ten (KAZ), 3rd skater TBD
Ladies: Satoko Miyahara (JPN), Elizabet Tursynbaeva (KAZ), 3rd skater TBD
Pairs: Wenjing Sui/Cong Han (CHN), Tae Ok Ryom/Ju Sik Kim (PRK)*
Dance: Rebeka Kim/Kirill Minov (KOR), Shiyue Wang/Xinyu Liu (CHN)

Like I mentioned earlier, Ryom/Kim are likely to decline the invitation, and there are no other Asian countries with pairs teams on the ISU World Standings list... So I wonder what will happen then.

 

[sequinsgalore]

The way this works is Team Capt. Kristy Yamaguchi will select five women from North America who entered Worlds...

This should be easy, right? Aren't there only 5 North American woman total at Worlds: 3 Americans, 2 Canadians (can't remember if Mexico or Puerto Rico etc has a lady with the TES, but the last years there haven't)? Since 2 are invited, there are only 3 left to be invited...

 

[sequinsgalore]

The way this works is Team Capt. Kristy Yamaguchi will select five women from North America who entered Worlds...

This should be easy, right? Aren't there only 5 North American woman total at Worlds: 3 Americans, 2 Canadians (can't remember if Mexico or Puerto Rico etc has a lady with the TES, but the last years there haven't)? Since 2 are invited, there are only 3 left to be nominated...

 

[ice coverage]

... Up to five skaters (both ladies and men) will be nominated by the Team Captains from those skaters who are entered in the 2016 ISU World Figure Skating Championships....

This should be easy, right? Aren't there only 5 North American woman total at Worlds: 3 Americans, 2 Canadians (can't remember if Mexico or Puerto Rico etc has a lady with the TES, but the last years there haven't)? Since 2 are invited, there are only 3 left to be nominated...

Not necessarily so easy -- because the exact language is that "up to five" will be nominated.

So Kristi will have the discretion, for example, to nominate only one US lady instead of two. It is within the realm of possibility that the fan voting could come down to one US lady versus one Canadian lady, depending on what Kristi decides.
Similar possibility re the slot for the third North American man.

And of course, Team North America is an aberration in that only two countries are in play.
Christopher Dean and whoever the captain of Team Asia will be will have even more decisions to make re nominations for the third man and third lady for their respective continents.

 

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Will be quite a weird competition if neither Medvedeva nor Radionova are getting in team Europe because of the selection rules.

 

[solar]

Will be quite a weird competition if neither Medvedeva nor Radionova are getting in team Europe because of the selection rules.

One of them could be voted in through the fan vote though