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2018-19 Ladies' power ranking

Upholding this standard and ceiling for Satoko and just a few select skaters is ridiculous. I hate to pick on Alina, but how would that thinking apply to her?

Alina's GOE and PCS is already generous so the equalizing doesn't work because move one side to the other and its not even fathomable. But it will only get higher once she owns her programs, when her current GOE and PCS are what she should be getting at that later time that she finally does. Alina's ceiling is only higher because her bottom is set at everyone's best. I'm appalled when the scoring says Satoko's best and ceiling equalizes and is only as good as Alina trying to work out her kinks and I don't buy it.
 
Her best SP this season was 70, and her best FS this season was 137. I don't see where the 74 and a 145 come from.
yep her SP was scored 70 but with a ! call and not best element performed. Her FS also have a < and e ! calls. If she went completely clean that will give her extra 5+ point which boost her score to 142+ that user is saying about her scoring potential if she went completely clean not her current best score
 
I think some people are forgetting that both of Zhenya’s skates so far this season were in Canada. Have you looked at the scores for other top skaters / high PCS skaters at those competitions? Here are the obvious ones:

Shoma SCI PCS 43.24/88.64 Historical PB 46.74/94.42
Yuzuru Hanyu ACI 45.40/87.90. Historical PB 49.14/98.56

Quite a difference, wouldn’t you say? Shoma’s SP PCS is 3.5 lower than his PB and his FS PCS is 5.78 lower, meaning his total score is 9.28 lower simply due to PCS. Hanyu’s SP PCS is 3.74 lower than his PB and his FS PCS is a whopping 10.66, meaning his total score is 14.4 points lower simply due to PCS.

My point is that maybe, just maybe, Zhenya hasn’t really fallen off her pedestal due to leaving Eteri or trying to fix her Lutz or whatever the theory du hour is. Maybe her scores are lower so far this season due to where she competed, at least in part.
 
Based on the season so far, here are my personal thoughts on the current rankings:

S-Tier (Untouchable if Clean)
#1-2. Alina has underperformed thus far, but her OGM status and formidable combo of difficulty, GOE, and PCS will fight to continue her reign.
#1-2. Rika has shown she can shine, but has yet to prove that she is a refined gem. Based on potential difficulty alone, she is the indisputable champion, but we shall see if she can deliver consistently.

AAA-Tier (Podium Capable, Potential Spoilers)
#3-4. Elizaveta has had a meteoric comeback, solidifying her status as Russia's second best. While lacking in the components, she easily has some of the best jumps in the ladies field. Equipped with consistency and a banging 3A, she will do major damage this season.
#3-4. Satoko is the queen of artistry. Long criticized for her tiny jumps, she has surely improved them this season. Judges have also shown a willingness to hand her high GOE and PCS marks, so her steady competition demeanor can easily land her on the podium.
#5. Evgenia has fallen down the current ranks in hopes of achieving longevity. She has been shaky so far, but can only go up from here. As she gradually improves her Lutz and program performance, I expect her to have a meteoric rise up the ranks - but that will take some time.
#6. Kaori is a close 6th right behind Evgenia. Although she has performed better than Evgenia so far, she still has a bit more to prove before she can definitively surpass Evgenia in the current ranks. Her skating shows a balance of power and ease, with big jumps and beautiful flow throughout her programs that make them so enjoyable to watch. While she may not be a favorite for the podium, she can easily find herself on it if others falter.

AA-Tier (Potential Greats in need of a Breakthrough)
#7. Mai is the epitome of a dark horse. Her beautiful skating skills are downplayed by her somewhat forgettable packaging. She needs a statement program and a breakout season to establish herself among the top ranks. However, her consistency may carry her to the top should others stumble.
#8. Sofia has been consistent throughout her senior GP debut. Time will tell if she can continue to ride this momentum and break into the Russian top 3.
#9. Stanislava is in a similar position to Sofia. Great so far (albeit helped by generous scoring at her GP event). She will need to continue being great to prove herself.
#10. Mako was close to qualifying for the GPF, but one brilliant skate coupled with one disastrous skate leaves her in an awkward spot. I'm hesitant to rank her high given her poor performance at Rostelecom, but she has shown she's capable of greatness. With her gorgeous jumps and natural performance musicality, we shall see if she can prove herself among the cutthroat Japanese ladies field.
#11-14. Bradie is currently #1 in the US, but that spot is looking precarious with how well Mariah has been doing. She has the difficulty and the fed-backing to contend. She has shown potential, but she needs to put it all together.
#11-14. Mariah has improved greatly this season and has finally broken into the US top 3. With more consistency and added difficulty, she may even threaten Bradie for the top spot. She sells her programs well this season, so she just needs the technical goodies.
#11-14. Eunsoo has the potential to be a star. A few hiccups so far, but also strokes of brilliance. Her free program still looks a bit raw, but more time with the program can do wonders. I'm hoping for a meteoric rise for Eunsoo.
#11-14. Loena has also vastly improved this season. A few hiccups as well, but has the potential to make a name for herself this season.

A-Tier (Top 20's, Needs Consistency and/or a Breakthrough)
#15-20. Alena, Yuna, Elizabet, Wakaba, Marin, Karen
 
My final ranking before big competitions start.

#1 Alina Zagitova She is dominant this season. She will be the primary candidate for all the wins. The only real challenge that she will face will be Trusova during the Nationals.

#2 Rika Kihira France showed that Rika can be quite fragile. And not only with 3As.


#3-4 Satoko Miyahara -0.5 I just cannot place Satoko firmly above Liza. GPF will be decisive.

#3-4 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva +0.5 Liza just showed 3F-3T. With a flip and her jump qualty she just cannot score below Satoko if all the content delivered. Her pcs is slowly growing. GPF will be a big test of her consistency.


#5 Kaori Sakamoto +1 No news

#6 Bradie Tennell +1 I like her much better this season. She just has to return her consistency and build the reputation with judges

#7 Mai Mihara +1 It's not rude in Russian to name a person "a working horse". Hope, in English as well. Because it is how I see Mai: not exciting but quite reliable.

#8 Sofia Samodurova New Sofia made the GPF and now she is a serious contender for the National team as Medvedeva is a big if now.

#9 Loena Hendrickx No news The only non-Russian European with some placements ambitions.


#10 Elizabeth Tursynbaeva No news

Who can be here as well?

Russia: Konstantinova is treated quite favorably by judges
Japan: Mako and Yuna S - average good skaters with occassional strong performances. Marin is a terrific skater with stellar skating skills. Just needs the jumps
USA: Bell - has a very good potential. Just has to deliver to it

Oh, yes.... Medvedeva. Hope dies last. So far there is no visible chance for her to come back on top. 68 pcs after 77 in Olympics - looks like a verdict. Her main task is to make the team. Hence, she has to shine during the Nationals. If she skates like today she disappears from any power rankings for good. Who would think?
 
Zagitova wins on PCS and we all know that this is not sustainable. So either she starts to rotate all her jumps or her future - even this season will not be so bright.
 
So far there is no visible chance for her to come back on top. 68 pcs after 77 in Olympics - looks like a verdict.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Olympic season scores are always inflated, and her PCS marks here reflect more her being a few points better than the other France competitors than some objective measure.
 
My final ranking before big competitions starts

#10 Elizabeth Tursynbaeva No news

Who can be here as well?

Oh, yes.... Medvedeva. Hope dies last. So far there is no visible chance for her to come back on top. 68 pcs after 77 in Olympics - looks like a verdict. Her main task is to make the team. Hence, she has to shine during the Nationals. If she skates like today she disappears from any power rankings for good. Who would think?

😂 LOL

Yes put Elizabeth over Med with her 366 combined score from GP vs the 390 of Med.

Or the 20pts Med earned vs the 12pts LilBet earned.

Someone’s bias is showing...

And you cant even argue that LilBet is improving and Med isn’t. They have both gotten worse since their challenger events.
 
#2 Rika Kihira France showed that Rika can be quite fragile. And not only with 3As.

How is she fragile? She managed to carry on with her programs after a mistake. She won beautifully.
 
Mine now :(
1. Alina. Both she and Rika are inconsistent but overall she seems to have handled it better and is top qualifier.
2. Rika. Triple axel was better in the free but only 205 in total, so she is second qualifier.
3. Liza. With a clean 3A and that 3F from what we saw earlier, she can beat all but the top two, and is right there to beat them if they should falter.
4. Satoko. She beat Liza at NHK but seems pretty maxed out, whereas Liza could replace a 2A with a 3F.
5. Kaori. One bad SP at Finland, but she's still in the GPF!
6. Sofia. She is not the flashiest, but she always gets the job done, and has a great free skate for her personality. She's in the GPF too!
7. Mai. She is not quite as consistent as last season but still gets high scores and got a silver medal and a fourth in the deepest fields.
8. Evgenia :(. This was her chance to make a statement and ... it didn't happen :(. But if she delivers at RusNats, she still has a chance.
9. Bradie. She's back in the game, and ready to do well. Her FS is a good vehicle for her.
10. Anna Tarusina - Stanislava Konstantinova. Yes, Stasya is second alternate and Anya was on the JGP. But, Stasya showed that she struggles to put two clean programs together, and Anya today was better than ever. Stanislava does have more love though, and more senior reputation. But Anna is on an upward trajectory after winning at Inge Solar Memorial. Her SB is actually higher than Samodurova's now (by 0.06 :laugh:)
 
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Yes put Elizabeth over Med with her 366 combined score from GP vs the 390 of Med.

Or the 20pts Med earned vs the 12pts LilBet earned.

Someone’s bias is showing...

And you cant even argue that LilBet is improving and Med isn’t. They have both gotten worse since their challenger events.

The power ranking is not about combined GP score - it's about chances of skaters to get places in big competitions. Your combined score can be 490 rather than 390 - it will mean nothing if you are not on the team. At this point I see no Medvedeva in the team if she skates like she has been skating this season. It will be either Sofia or Stasya. Then she is no one. At the same time, Lizbet is guaranteed a spot and currently I personally see her making around #10 in the worlds.

No need to accuse of bias without getting to what is the essense of the discussion.
 
How is she fragile? She managed to carry on with her programs after a mistake. She won beautifully.

Once again, it's about ranking. Some people placed Rika above Alina. Some people even claimed that Alina on purpose invented "the papers case" to avoid facing Rika.

Rika is not fragile if we compare her with other skaters. I thought it was quite obvious that I meant that she was fragile vs. Alina who does not have scores near 205 this season. So Rika is a firm #2 but may be fragile when facing Alina.
 
The power ranking is not about combined GP score - it's about chances of skaters to get places in big competitions. Your combined score can be 490 rather than 390 - it will mean nothing if you are not on the team. At this point I see no Medvedeva in the team if she skates like she has been skating this season. It will be either Sofia or Stasya. Then she is no one. At the same time, Lizbet is guaranteed a spot and currently I personally see her making around #10 in the worlds.

No need to accuse of bias without getting to what is the essense of the discussion.

Maybe you just don’t realize your bias. As you put 4 Japanese ladies on the list, and one of them won’t be appearing at any world championships barring injury from the other 3.

Top 10 is generous; 3 Russian, 3 Japanese, Braidie and Mariah, Leona, Eunsoo.
 
Maybe you just don’t realize your bias. As you put 4 Japanese ladies on the list, and one of them won’t be appearing at any world championships barring injury from the other 3.

Top 10 is generous; 3 Russian, 3 Japanese, Braidie and Mariah, Leona, Eunsoo.

So I am biased and you are not? Come on, everyone is biased including judges who give very different scores. Then there is no point to accuse someone of bias. The point is whether there is rationale behind what one says or just pure emotions like "Borser said that Zhenya will be superb in 4 years, hence, she is on the right track and should be considered in the current ranking". My rationale is as follows:

I don't have the crystall ball to say who will be in the team, Mai or Kaori. They are both strong. They both have team chances - that's why I put them both. Last year I had more than 3 Russians in the preliminary ranking as well.

Sofia made GPF. This brought her into the "elite club of this season". Zhenya missed GPF. She nearly lost to Stasya who had a disaster SP. Her scores are progressively worse. She started with #2 position in my first list and now she is off.

Mariah is very good when she delivers. But the aura of inconsistency is so strong with her that I don't know if she does not have an epic meltdown during Nationals to lose to Hicks or Chen or whoever. She is in my "substitute list".

I forgot about Eunsoo. Too bad because she is one of my favorite skaters this season. I would tier her with Lizbet. Eunsoo has lower SB but she won over Lizbet in Moscow. Both have very good upside potential.

And once again, let's keep "bias discussions" somewhere else.
 
Taking into account Worlds quotas, and assuming that Japan will have a stronger #3 team member than Russia:

1. Alina Zagitova—Untouchable if clean and probably near-clean, too. The PCS gap is too wide, at least for now.

2. Rika Kihira—She impressed me at IdF with her ability to think on her feet and keep going, despite setbacks in the short and the beginning of the free. She is a talent with competitive grit, just like Alina, and if her PCS grows over the season, then the match-up at Worlds will be exciting.

3. Satoko Miyahara—Contrary to expectations, she is thriving under the new scoring system. That said, I believe she has hit her ceiling in terms of scoring potential: even as the national champion, performing in Japan to the near-best of her abilities, she was unable to hold off Kihira and she nearly lost to Tuktamysheva. As she cannot realistically expect Zagitova, Kihira, and Tuktamysheva to all falter in the same competition, it is unlikely we will see her as World Champion, but she is doing everything right to secure a third medal.

4. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva—Virtually tied with Satoko, but I would give a slight edge to the former because her programs seem to leave a better overall impression on the judges. If Liza keeps increasing her technical content, though, it will be hard to deny her the medals. She could even rival Kihira and Zagitova.

5. Kaori Sakamoto/Mai Mihara/Wakaba Higuchi—As there are only three spots, and the first two feel more or less secured, I see whoever takes the #3 spot in this position. Right now, Sakamoto is the most likely candidate given her GPF participation and charisma, but Mihara with her steely consistency could take advantage if Kaori falters. As for Wakaba, she is still the reigning World Silver Medalist and could take the third spot with a lights-out performance at Japanese Nationals.

unlikely, but could grab a spot on the team: Marin Honda, Mako Yamashita, Yuna Shiraiwa


6. Evgenia Medvedeva/Sofia Samodurova/Stanislava Konstantinova
—In the midst of this "Evgenia is done" discourse, everybody seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room, which is that, while it may be decreasing, Evgenia's PCS is still huge. Obviously it won't save her if she performs the way she did this weekend, but if she is anywhere near her usual form at Russian Nats, then I think the Fed would be wise to send her to the big competitions. Samodurova, for all her consistency, simply does not have the reputation cushion a flawed Medvedeva has. That said, it is Sonia and not Zhenia who is going to GPF, and if the former delivers and the latter falters, then Samodurova is the most viable candidate for the #3 spot. After these two, Konstantinova seems the most likely contender; she has the potential to score well internationally, but her instability will likely cost her another trip to Worlds.

unlikely, but could grab a spot on the team: Anna Tarusina, Maria Sotskova, Alena Leonova, Polina Tsurskaya, Anastasiia Gubanova

7. Bradie Tennell—I just do not see Bradie breaking through to the top 5 this season, not with these programs and not with her technical problems. However, if IdF showed us anything, it is that she has a fighting spirit and should not be counted out.

8. Eunsoo Lim—Possibly getting hyped too early, but she really does have the X factor for a top-10 finish.....and higher if others falter

9. Elizabet Tursynbaeva—I thought she would challenge for top 5 earlier in the season, but she did not deliver on the Grand Prix. It's still early, though.

10. Loena Hendrickx—This wasn't the GP experience Loena wanted, but hopefully she can rally for the podium at Euros and finish out the season with a solid top 10 finish at Worlds. Her SB from Nebelhorn has actually held up very well, so she might surprise us.

11. Mariah Bell/Karen Chen—Bell is the clear front-runner for spot #2 on the Worlds team, but if Karen competes and has a strong showing at Talinn and then podiums at Nationals, USFS might send her instead. Whoever it is, top 10 is realistically the best they can hope for, and it will require a strong performance on their part.

12-18, no particular order: Viveca Lindfors/Emmi Peltonen, Alexia Paganini, Mae Berenice Meite/Laurine Lecavalier, Kailani Craine, Alaine Chartrand, Larkyn Austman, Alicia Pineault

Total Question Marks
Carolina Kostner
Gabrielle Daleman
 
How is she fragile? She managed to carry on with her programs after a mistake. She won beautifully.

Rika's skating is beautiful :love:, successful triple axel or not. She has such grace and elegance. I actually feel something when she skates. It's not just a series of difficult transitions and unfinished moves mixed in with incoherent music cuts, interspersed with broken glass sound effects. I feel that Rika is underscored in PCS. Hopefully, the judges give her some more respect later in the season.

With that said, a commendable effort from her, especially since the expectations and hype have grown after her win at NHK. She made a statement here with this second win and she has beaten all the top women this season except Alina and Kaori, who she will face at the GPF.
 
This should be Kihira's for the taking this season if reputation weren't a thing. But she can now easily build that up.
 
I think more importantly than winning GPF, Rika needs two clean skates at GPF to get her PCS/GOEs up. I think she has more than a fighting chance for GPF gold, but she may not see the payoff until Worlds. IDF shows that she's thinking smartly about how to navigate her free if things go wrong. Her SP is a liability program-wise, so I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out.

If you look at the field and the ladies' scores, it's really Kaori and Rika that can use the GPF to boost reputation. Satoko, Liza, Alina, and Sofia are a bit closer to their ceilings with the judges.
 
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