2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[moriel]

Really interesting, thanks moriel! I think it's also interesting to see how many Russian ladies have medaled on the JGP, even who we would call no-names. They are all quite talented, it would appear and it's just getting better

there are actually tons of "nonames" in JGP, simply because those girls never really achieved anything as seniors =(

As for Eteri, if we take her recent juniors, most of them seem to transition to seniors quite well.
Tsurskaya was not perfect, but had some decent performances. Zagitova won everything. But ofc Eteri cannot seniors. Even if they dont stay with her as Zhenya and Tsurskaya, there is still a lot of Eteri's merit in whatever they achieved at senior level.

 

[Artemisa]

Just a little junior statistics on ladies and how well they transition to seniors. I really don't see where the stuff about russian juniors comes from, since, if anything, they are better.


GP medalists by country:
(seasons 05-06 to 14-15, 10 seasons. Not taking more recent stuff because the 15-16 juniors didnt really had time to properly transition into seniors).
the skaters marker with *** later medalled at senior GPs, GPF or Worlds (not counting Euros/4CC because both are fairly weird depending on who goes there and who skips it)

>>>>>RUS:
***Adelina Sotnikova
***Alena Leonova
Alexandra Proklova
Alsu Kaiumova
Anna Ovcharova
***Anna Pogorilaya
Anna Shershak
Ekaterina Kozireva
***Elena Radionova
Elizaveta Iushenko
***Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Evgenia Gerasimova
***Evgenia Medvedeva
Jana Smekhnova
***Ksenia Makarova
Margarita Tertichnaia
***Maria Sotskova
Maria Stavitskaia
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Oksana Gozeva
Polina Agafonova
Polina Korobeynikova
Polina Shelepen
Rosa Sheveleva
Serafima Sakhanovich
Sofia Biryukova
Uliana Titushkina
Veronika Kropotina
***Yulia Lipnitskaya
Total JGP medalists: 29
Won anything at seniors: 9
Success rate: 0.31

>>>>>JPN:
Aki Sawada
Akiko Kitamura
Haruka Imai
Haruka Inoue
Kana Muramoto
***Kanako Murakami
Mai Asada
Miyabi Oba
Miyu Nakashio
***Nana Takeda
***Rika Hongo
Rin Nitaya
Riona Kato
Risa Shoji
Rumi Suizu
***Satoko Miyahara
Satsuki Muramoto
Shion Kokubun
***Wakaba Higuchi
***Yuka Nagai
Yuki Nishino
Yukiko Fujisawa
Total JGP medalists: 22
Won anything at seniors: 6
Success rate: 0.27

>>>>>USA:
Alexe Gilles
Amber Glenn
Amanda Dobbs
Angela Maxwell
Angela Wang
***Ashley Wagner
Barbie Long
Becky Bereswill
Blake Rosenthal
***Caroline Zhang
Chrissy Hughes
***Christina Gao
Christine Zukowski
***Courtney Hicks
Ellie Kawamura
***Gracie Gold
Hannah Miller
Juliana Cannarozzo
Karen Chen
Katy Taylor
Kiri Baga
Kristiene Gong
Kristine Musademba
Leah Keiser
***Mariah Bell
Megan Hyatt
Megan Oster
Melissa Bulanhagui
***Mirai Nagasu
Polina Edmunds
***Rachael Flatt
Samantha Cesario
Vanessa Lam
Yasmin Siraj
Total JGP medalists: 34
Won anything at seniors: 6
Success rate: 0.24

>>>>>CAN:
Diane Szmiett
***Gabrielle Daleman
Kate Charbonneau
Total JGP medalists: 3
Won anything at seniors: 1
Success rate: 0.33 (considering the small sample size, we cannot state this rate is higher than Russian).

>>>>>KOR:
Choi Ji-eun
Kim Hae-jin
Kim Na-Young
***Kim Yuna
Kwak Min-jeong
Park So-youn
Shin Yea-ji
Total JGP medalists: 7
Won anything at seniors: 1
Success rate: 0.14

>>>>>Other:
Elene Gedevanishvili
Elizabet Tursynbayeva
Ira Vannut
Isabelle M. Olsson
Jelena Glebova
Jenni Vähämaa
Kexin Zhang
***Kiira Korpi
Laura Dutertre
***Laura Lepistö
Li Zijun
Sarah Hecken
Sonia Lafuente
***Stefania Berton
Svetlana Issakova
Xu Binshu
Total JGP medalists: 16
Won anything at seniors: 3
Success rate: 0.19


For the same period, just the Eteri skaters:
>>>>>Eteri Team:
***Evgenia Medvedeva
Polina Korobeynikova
Polina Shelepen
Serafima Sakhanovich
***Yulia Lipnitskaya
Total JGP medalists: 5
Won anything at seniors: 2
Success rate: 0.4

Thank you for the list ... i was surprise for the number os medals of USA I never thought that it would be superior to Russia ... that mens that USA has lost of skaters in the transition to seniors ....

 

[moriel]

Thank you for the list ... i was surprise for the number os medals of USA I never thought that it would be superior to Russia ... that mens that USA has lot of skaters in the transition to seniors ....

Considering this is a 10 years span... Most of those skaters are already retired.

 

[russianfan]

Thank you for the list ... i was surprise for the number os medals of USA I never thought that it would be superior to Russia ... that mens that USA has lot of skaters in the transition to seniors ....

It doesn't include recent years (most successful for Russia), but includes years when US skaters dominated the JGP, that's why.

seasons 05-06 to 14-15

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Yeah, most recent years have an insane amount of Russian dominance. 7 out 7 golds this past year, and only one event where the other entry didn't also place. I bet it'll be even better this year -- 7 out of 7 golds, 7 out of 7 silvers

 

[tars]

Excuse me, but a woman that gushes about a 15 year old girl praising her determination because she „can live for days only by powdered nutritions“ and said girl later suffers from an eating disorder, constantly bashes students after they leave is hardly innocent. Yes, she is a good coach but some of her actions aren‘t morally tolerable and I think this should be pointed out. That‘s not hate or anything it‘s just the truth.

I may be totally reaching here, but what if the situation is like they explained in the film about Russian rhytmic gymnastics: any weight over certain limit means injury sooner or later? What if the girl return after summer break with few kilos over her limit because of puberty issues or bad diet and she and her mom keep saying "we'll do anything to become a champion, invested our whole lives in this, please give us a chance, we'll do anything to lose weight"?
Should Eteri ignore all of this and say goodbye to them, let them hurt themselves or take on powder diet?

Not an easy moral dilemma, if you ask me.

 

[SamuraiKike]

Just a little junior statistics on ladies and how well they transition to seniors. I really don't see where the stuff about russian juniors comes from, since, if anything, they are better.


GP medalists by country:
(seasons 05-06 to 14-15, 10 seasons. Not taking more recent stuff because the 15-16 juniors didnt really had time to properly transition into seniors).
the skaters marker with *** later medalled at senior GPs, GPF or Worlds (not counting Euros/4CC because both are fairly weird depending on who goes there and who skips it)

Very cool and thanks for the info. :agree: Though I think GPF and specially GP events are even weirder depending on who's skipping the season and who got an easy event.

Also I think Euros medals still have more prestige than GPF though that's more because of how long has the championship being around than its current depth but that's another topic.

 

[esteticlove]

Yes, this is a very complex problem. It might be true that they limit the weight in order to prevent injuries, but I think that in figure skating it also helps with aerodynamics for the jumps. There is actually a scientific term - the so called Female Athlete Triad which describes a very common syndrome among female athletes, consisting of low energy availability (borderline to eating disorders), amenorrhoea and osteoporosis. The osteoporosis is mostly the result from not eating too much and therefore not getting enough minerals and there comes the increased probability for fractures. So, one could argue if the injury comes from too much weight or from the reduced calorie intake. But Eteri's girls do take supplements that's why is difficult to comment on the nutritional status on her girls without any knowledge about the exact plan they are following.

 

[moriel]

Yes, this is a very complex problem. It might be true that they limit the weight in order to prevent injuries, but I think that in figure skating it also helps with aerodynamics for the jumps. There is actually a scientific term - the so called Female Athlete Triad which describes a very common syndrome among female athletes, consisting of low energy availability (borderline to eating disorders), amenorrhoea and osteoporosis. The osteoporosis is mostly the result from not eating too much and therefore not getting enough minerals and there comes the increased probability for fractures. So, one could argue if the injury comes from too much weight or from the reduced calorie intake. But Eteri's girls do take supplements that's why is difficult to comment on the nutritional status on her girls without any knowledge about the exact plan they are following.

I wouldn't say one can argue. At the age we are talking about, reduced calorie / mineral intake is not such a big deal, since that stuff has more long term effects, and they still eat reasonably well still, even if borderline. I mean, take osteoporosis. It is a long term process.
Now, pre-puberty girl usually have no weight issues (you just cant compete at top level if thats the case), so we assume they eat fairly well. Take Zhenya's interviews, for example, where she boasted about how she could eat everything.
This changes when they hit puberty, so we are talking about 1-2 years of diet in worst case. We are not taking into account ED here, of course, but just their regular training and eating.

Now, a weight gain is simple and has instant effect - you gain 1 kg over summer, and then you start fracturing bones because extra weight and impact on jumps.

 

[Ziotic]

Just a little junior statistics on ladies and how well they transition to seniors. I really don't see where the stuff about russian juniors comes from, since, if anything, they are better.


GP medalists by country:
(seasons 05-06 to 14-15, 10 seasons. Not taking more recent stuff because the 15-16 juniors didnt really had time to properly transition into seniors).
the skaters marker with *** later medalled at senior GPs, GPF or Worlds (not counting Euros/4CC because both are fairly weird depending on who goes there and who skips it)

>>>>>RUS:
***Adelina Sotnikova
***Alena Leonova
Alexandra Proklova
Alsu Kaiumova
Anna Ovcharova
***Anna Pogorilaya
Anna Shershak
Ekaterina Kozireva
***Elena Radionova
Elizaveta Iushenko
***Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Evgenia Gerasimova
***Evgenia Medvedeva
Jana Smekhnova
***Ksenia Makarova
Margarita Tertichnaia
***Maria Sotskova
Maria Stavitskaia
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Oksana Gozeva
Polina Agafonova
Polina Korobeynikova
Polina Shelepen
Rosa Sheveleva
Serafima Sakhanovich
Sofia Biryukova
Uliana Titushkina
Veronika Kropotina
***Yulia Lipnitskaya
Total JGP medalists: 29
Won anything at seniors: 9
Success rate: 0.31

>>>>>JPN:
Aki Sawada
Akiko Kitamura
Haruka Imai
Haruka Inoue
Kana Muramoto
***Kanako Murakami
Mai Asada
Miyabi Oba
Miyu Nakashio
***Nana Takeda
***Rika Hongo
Rin Nitaya
Riona Kato
Risa Shoji
Rumi Suizu
***Satoko Miyahara
Satsuki Muramoto
Shion Kokubun
***Wakaba Higuchi
***Yuka Nagai
Yuki Nishino
Yukiko Fujisawa
Total JGP medalists: 22
Won anything at seniors: 6
Success rate: 0.27

>>>>>USA:
Alexe Gilles
Amber Glenn
Amanda Dobbs
Angela Maxwell
Angela Wang
***Ashley Wagner
Barbie Long
Becky Bereswill
Blake Rosenthal
***Caroline Zhang
Chrissy Hughes
***Christina Gao
Christine Zukowski
***Courtney Hicks
Ellie Kawamura
***Gracie Gold
Hannah Miller
Juliana Cannarozzo
Karen Chen
Katy Taylor
Kiri Baga
Kristiene Gong
Kristine Musademba
Leah Keiser
***Mariah Bell
Megan Hyatt
Megan Oster
Melissa Bulanhagui
***Mirai Nagasu
Polina Edmunds
***Rachael Flatt
Samantha Cesario
Vanessa Lam
Yasmin Siraj
Total JGP medalists: 34
Won anything at seniors: 6
Success rate: 0.24

>>>>>CAN:
Diane Szmiett
***Gabrielle Daleman
Kate Charbonneau
Total JGP medalists: 3
Won anything at seniors: 1
Success rate: 0.33 (considering the small sample size, we cannot state this rate is higher than Russian).

>>>>>KOR:
Choi Ji-eun
Kim Hae-jin
Kim Na-Young
***Kim Yuna
Kwak Min-jeong
Park So-youn
Shin Yea-ji
Total JGP medalists: 7
Won anything at seniors: 1
Success rate: 0.14

>>>>>Other:
Elene Gedevanishvili
Elizabet Tursynbayeva
Ira Vannut
Isabelle M. Olsson
Jelena Glebova
Jenni Vähämaa
Kexin Zhang
***Kiira Korpi
Laura Dutertre
***Laura Lepistö
Li Zijun
Sarah Hecken
Sonia Lafuente
***Stefania Berton
Svetlana Issakova
Xu Binshu
Total JGP medalists: 16
Won anything at seniors: 3
Success rate: 0.19


For the same period, just the Eteri skaters:
>>>>>Eteri Team:
***Evgenia Medvedeva
Polina Korobeynikova
Polina Shelepen
Serafima Sakhanovich
***Yulia Lipnitskaya
Total JGP medalists: 5
Won anything at seniors: 2
Success rate: 0.4

Have there been any Russians who have competed Junior and not podium who have gone onto seniors and medaled??

 

[moriel]

not sure, overall that is pretty uncommon, but ill look

 

[TruMan]

Here I am, came back after searchin for a Thread 2018-2019 State of Canadian Ladies' Skating... OoopS! The landscape hasbeen clearly changed. Instead of a fragrant rose gardens & flower beds there are ditches, scorched bald spots and even pits. Who are those nice people caring about destroying the past, so that in the present we feel ourselves comfortable, dry and guarded?

I've seen this 5D movie too - 10 Years Of Lady' JGPF 2008-2017 - http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1531971171/6e97153d/22538545.png

Btw, "Tutberidze self-reproduction process" is gaining momentum, after Shelepen and Lipnitskaya -https://vk.com/video-64888695_456247102

 

[SamuraiKike]

Have there been any Russians who have competed Junior and not podium who have gone onto seniors and medaled??

Maria Butyrskaya But of course that was long before the russian wonderbabies era began

In these days a russian late bloomer lady would be really rare to see.

 

[moriel]

Maria Butyrskaya But of course that was long before the russian wonderbabies era began

In these days a russian late bloomer lady would be really rare to see.

tbh back in that time they didnt even had a proper junior cirquit - JGP started in 1997–98 season, and before that there was only JW, which meant tons of skaters didnt really do a lot of junior stuff

 

[SamuraiKike]

tbh back in that time they didnt even had a proper junior cirquit - JGP started in 1997–98 season, and before that there was only JW, which meant tons of skaters didnt really do a lot of junior stuff

Im well aware of that. It was tongue in cheek comment.

 

[Ziotic]

Maria Butyrskaya But of course that was long before the russian wonderbabies era began

In these days a russian late bloomer lady would be really rare to see.

I sometimes feel that there could be amazing skaters from russia who never see the light of day since they aren’t landing quads at 13.

Late bloomers never get a chance, it’s mainly just shooting stars that rise quickly and fade just the same.

I really hope that Med can improve over the next quad and get that OGM.

 

[Shayuki]

Have there been any Russians who have competed Junior and not podium who have gone onto seniors and medaled??

It would be pretty difficult for such Russians to get any GP spots or international spots to speak of, so where could they medal? Unless you meant challengers or something...

I sometimes feel that there could be amazing skaters from russia who never see the light of day since they aren’t landing quads at 13.

There are, tons of them. That's why we watch domestic competitions. The vast majority of these skaters who will never have an international appearance are much better than the vast majority of world championship participants.

Late bloomers never get a chance, it’s mainly just shooting stars that rise quickly and fade just the same.

Konstantinova begs to differ. Remember that getting a chance is different from using it.

 

[Ziotic]

It would be pretty difficult for such Russians to get any GP spots or international spots to speak of, so where could they medal? Unless you meant challengers or something...

I mean GP, but if they were great at challengers and won, then did well at nationals, you’d think the fed may pay them some love the next season by giving them the host spot.

Additionally, they could do a challenger to get on the SB for the next year and obtain a GP.

 

[Shayuki]

Excuse me, but a woman that gushes about a 15 year old girl praising her determination because she „can live for days only by powdered nutritions“ and said girl later suffers from an eating disorder, constantly bashes students after they leave is hardly innocent.

By the way, this still is not an ED nor is it necessarily starving(depending on calorie intake). You can have a recommended daily amount in nothing but powdered nutritions, or you can have an alarming malnutrition eating proper food.

Regardless, even if it's very low calorie intake, extreme dieting is not the same thing as EDs, nor does extreme dieting innately cause EDs.

I mean GP, but if they were great at challengers and won, then did well at nationals, you’d think the fed may pay them some love the next season by giving them the host spot.

Additionally, they could do a challenger to get on the SB for the next year and obtain a GP.

Few skaters just go and "do well" at nationals. Your own actions aren't enough on their own unless you jump quads or some such.

 

[Ziotic]

Few skaters just go and "do well" at nationals. Your own actions aren't enough on their own unless you jump quads or some such.

I agree, which is inherently the problem, if you haven’t done something special by 13 you’re done.

Unfortunately it means your retired by 18 in most cases.