2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[leoleo]

You guys are bashing Gubanova for not showing up for test skates and getting one JGP, yet congratulating a girl who bombs Junior Nationals + National Elder Age + Test Skate and getting TWO JGP

Such bias.

who is bashing gubanova? not me at least but can you direct me to comments that bashed her? all i've seen is people saying it's unfair for the rusfed to give her assignments despite her not showing up to the test skates. maybe i missed it or we have different definitions of bashing :think:

 

[atsumiri]

And don't forget Canada is welcoming two (2!) Russian ladies to the event. A good opportunity for all.

It is their responsibility as the host.
It's exactly how many spots Russia have on each event. 2 spots on each JGP events.
What did you expect? 1 spot?
If they invited/welcomed 3 Russian girls I would thank them... I guess right now nothing to be grateful for.

 

[moriel]

Buianova is the answer.
Im surprised people are surprised at this point

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Buianova is the answer.
Im surprised people are surprised at this point

But Buyanova could get her the influence for the Rostelecom spot so if she was lobbying for her to get a JGP she has almost no chance of winning I'd be highly surprised

 

[alvina9894]

How likely is it that Russia pulls Gubanova from Linz?

Hopefully they will replace it with a GP host spot.

Here is my speculation:
RusFed wants Gubanova to be in JGP, therefore she is listed as a candidate. Buyanova wants her for the GP host spot instead, therefore refrained her from showing up in the test skates.
Negotiation is still in progress, hence no change in entry list for JGP Linz.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

You guys are bashing Gubanova for not showing up for test skates and getting one JGP, yet congratulating a girl who bombs Junior Nationals + National Elder Age + Test Skate and getting TWO JGP

Such bias.

She also beat Trusova this past year and had a magnificent showing at the Cup Final, where she got 210 points in the junior category without a quad. She was also injured this past year and was regaining her form. Considering a year ago she couldn't even walk, I think her rate of improvement gives us a lot to be optimistic about for the JGP. Gubanova had none of that -- she never beat Trusova, she had a great showing at nationals but medaled at neither, and didn't get 210 points, not to mention she's had her share of messing up (really just that one JGP). But not even showing up to test skates? That's worse than coming and performing badly, in my opinion.

 

[leoleo]

But Buyanova could get her the influence for the Rostelecom spot so if she was lobbying for her to get a JGP she has almost no chance of winning I'd be highly surprised

yeah if they're lobbying for her, they'd better give her a senior gp assignment! that's where she belongs! i don't know what they were thinking trying to keep her in junior field again this season. There are already so many juniors

 

[alvina9894]

She also beat Trusova this past year and had a magnificent showing at the Cup Final, where she got 210 points in the junior category without a quad. She was also injured this past year and was regaining her form. Considering a year ago she couldn't even walk, I think her rate of improvement gives us a lot to be optimistic about for the JGP. Gubanova had none of that -- she never beat Trusova, she had a great showing at nationals but medaled at neither, and didn't get 210 points, not to mention she's had her share of messing up (really just that one JGP). But not even showing up to test skates? That's worse than coming and performing badly, in my opinion.

Ah, then shouldn't Tarakanova also be getting two JGPs? After all, she has also beaten Trusova last season with 207 points in the 5th stage of Russian Cup and had much better results than Shcherbakova last season.

I don't get why you're emphasizing "without a quad". It's not like she has landed any By the way, Sinitsina had a much higher BV than Shcherbakova in test skates, yet she is not getting any JGP assignments. Which is also ridiculous, considering Sinitsina has beaten her in Junior Nationals, Moscow Elder Age Qualifiers and National Elder Age.

 

[atsumiri]

yeah if they're lobbying for her, they'd better give her a senior gp assignment! that's where she belongs! i don't know what they were thinking trying to keep her in junior field again this season. There are already so many juniors

the exact same thing as Konstantinova last season.

 

[atsumiri]

Ah, then shouldn't Tarakanova also be getting two JGPs? After all, she has also beaten Trusova last season with 207 points in the 5th stage of Russian Cup and had much better results than Shcherbakova last season.

nobody are getting two events yet. its the preliminary entries.

 

[alvina9894]

nobody are getting two events yet. its the preliminary entries.

I shall correct myself then:
then shouldn't Tarakanova also be getting two preliminary entries in JGPs?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I shall correct myself then:
then shouldn't Tarakanova also be getting two preliminary entries in JGPs?

there's only so much they can do
maybe she will

but if they would take Gubanova out, they could put Sinitsyna in, because yes! she did beat Shcherbakova last season! and she has insane combos! this is why she deserves a JGP especially over someone who didn't come to test skates

 

[sweetice]

Come on... we still don't know why Gubanova wasn't at the test skates.

Let's discuss rusfed's choices when everything will be clear and official.

 

[karina17]

I shall correct myself then:
then shouldn't Tarakanova also be getting two preliminary entries in JGPs?

Only the first four JGP events’ entries have been released. Naturally, since Shcherbakova has JGP1, her name is also temporarily assigned to JGP4, because it only makes sense.

If you want Tarakanova to already have two preliminary entries at this stage (at which only 4 JGP entry lists have been released), that means she’d have JGP1 and JGP4.

And sending her to JGP1 makes no sense because she’s just come back from an illness, just learned her programs, and will become much, much better with a few extra weeks of preparation time (as proven by her rapid improvement within the past month or so).

Tarakanova can still get two JGP spots if she wins gold at the first one, just like everybody else on the team, including Shcherbakova, no matter what the preliminary entries say right now. The preliminary entries mean nothing because they’ll keep changing as JGP progresses.

 

[alvina9894]

Only the first four JGP events’ entries have been released. Naturally, since Shcherbakova has JGP1, her name is also temporarily assigned to JGP4, because it only makes sense.

I would like to remind you that Shcherbakova has never beaten Tarusina. Last season, Tarusina has beaten Shcherbakova in both (all) events they encountered: Elder Age Moscow Qualifiers and National Elder Age.

Tarusina also skated two clean programmes in test skates, while Shcherbakova had a messy StSq in her SP and completely bombed her FS.

So, there is nothing natural about assigning Shcherbakova to JGP4.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Messy as in one small mistake? A messy step sequence to me is like Rika Kihira's last year at JGP Italy (two falls)

 

[BillNeal]

It is their responsibility as the host.
It's exactly how many spots Russia have on each event. 2 spots on each JGP events.
What did you expect? 1 spot?
If they invited/welcomed 3 Russian girls I would thank them... I guess right now nothing to be grateful for.

Even if Canada wanted to welcome an additional Russian skater, there are rules on quota set by the ISU. Russia should be happy that they already achieved the maximum number of spots being a non-host.

 

[karina17]

I would like to remind you that Shcherbakova has never beaten Tarusina. Last season, Tarusina has beaten Shcherbakova in both (all) events they encountered: Elder Age Moscow Qualifiers and National Elder Age.

Tarusina also skated two clean programmes in test skates, while Shcherbakova had a messy StSq in her SP and completely bombed her FS.

So, there is nothing natural about assigning Shcherbakova to JGP4.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that these assignments are temporary?

It’s not as though the fed is saying that Shcherbakova will have JGP4 over Tarusina no matter what happens at JGP1. Because, as I’ve said quite a few times now, all this is temporary. If Tarusina takes gold, she gets the spot, and if Shcherbakova takes gold, she gets the spot.

And I said ‘naturally’ in regards to Shcherbakova having the spot over Tarakanova, not Tarusina.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I just want Spirals for Miles to love her

Wow I'm flattered

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Even if Canada wanted to welcome an additional Russian skater, there are rules on quota set by the ISU. Russia should be happy that they already achieved the maximum number of spots being a non-host.

I wouldn't be because it's crazy unfair to have to decide between all these wonderfully talented ladies
But at least they do have the max number of spots. What if there was a new rule? If a country sweeps the podium at JWC, then they get 3 spots per event... it wouldn't change this year since Mako got bronze last year but it could conceivably happen this year.