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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

I would also like there to be another tier. The depth of Russian skating is insane, so I hope more get a chance.
I think the 14 year old juniors should also be able to be at senior nats if they made the JGPF. It's am excellent opportunity to experience competing on a senior level in front of a large crowd. Plus, it makes the competition even more exciting.
 
After watching Sima's videos, I think her jumps have definitely improved a lot. But I am surprised to see that her skating skills and speed regressed. She used to be fast with good edge when she was a junior. Even her upper body movement looks very stiff and old now. Except for her 3-3, she does not have any flow going into jumps. It feels she is jumping on a floor, yet she managed to jump all her triples. She has the oddest jump technique probably from her coach before Eteri and it is still affecting her.
I too noticed the speed issue. To me Sima also appeared slow in Talinn as she really tried to control herself on the ice, in particular jumps. But I see this positive. Sima is quite an emotional person, so controlling herself is difficult. In the past we’ve often seen her rushing into jumps at high speed and then the jumps went south. I also noticed that speed levels differed when skating different competitions. At Panin Memorial, a small local competition, where she received more than 212 points, speed was a lot better. It’s progress that she learned to dose speed and risk. :)

TAT+CSKA lobby. :scratch3:
Well, with this kind of statement I guess at least this year Russian fed has taken away from itself any possibilities to make exceptions for Radionvova or anyone else:
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20181130/1146748413.html
Content in a nutshell: no exception for Sima to participate in RN. There is a rigid scheme how to qualify, Russian fed does not make any exceptions (though of course they have made many exceptions in the past :rolleye:). It would look very awkward to first make a big official statement “no exceptions” just to change that policy a few weeks later. The preference for certain club / coaches would be just too obvious, even for Russian Fed. :dev3:
 
If they added one more flight to RusNats, they could have one or two wildcards for skaters in Serafima's position and / or for former Russian / European / World / Olympic medallists returning to competition after injury / other problems who didn't qualify via GP / the Russian Cup. If there is no need for using such a wildcard in a given season, the spot(s) should be awarded to the skater who is next in line in the Russian Cup standings.
 
If they added one more flight to RusNats, they could have one or two wildcards for skaters in Serafima's position and / or for former Russian / European / World / Olympic medallists returning to competition after injury / other problems who didn't qualify via GP / the Russian Cup. If there is no need for using such a wildcard in a given season, the spot(s) should be awarded to the skater who is next in line in the Russian Cup standings.

I dont see how wildcard would be necessary.
If they added one more flight, Sima would have qualified by her own merits.
As for returning to competition: there are quite a few ways to qualify to rusnats, including GP and multiple russian cup events. If a Russian / European / World / Olympic medallist (most of those have GPs so they can qualify by competing at one) are not in shape to qualify, i don't think they should be even competing at rusnats at a given year.
 
Interesting when a bad year can still produce so many great skaters though...
Alina's SB is 238
Liza's SB is 219
Zhenya's SB is 204
Sima's SB is 202
Anya Tarusina's SB is 198
Sonya's SB is 198
Stasya's SB is 197
Leonova's SB is 194

And Gulyakova and Gubanova might go shooting up there next week at Golden Spin.
This doesn't even take into account the 3A, with SBs of 221, 205, and 203 currently, all of which might improve next week at the JGPF, along with Nastya Tarakanova who needs to get back up there as she's now been knocked out.

Good point, I sort of meant top five, but I can see Liza and Alina in the top five (at Worlds) and two of the three Japanese ladies in the top five. Next year I can see Russia pushing out all except Rika for the top five in the World.
 
Good luck to all the ladies competing this week!

Junior final: Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaya, Tarakanova, Kanysheva

Senior final: Zagitova, Tuktamysheva, Samodurova

Golden Spin: Gulyakova, Sotskova, Gubanova

:hap10:
 
After watching Sima's videos, I think her jumps have definitely improved a lot. But I am surprised to see that her skating skills and speed regressed. She used to be fast with good edge when she was a junior. Even her upper body movement looks very stiff and old now. Except for her 3-3, she does not have any flow going into jumps. It feels she is jumping on a floor, yet she managed to jump all her triples. She has the oddest jump technique probably from her coach before Eteri and it is still affecting her.

With Serafima you have to look at the whole picture, cause if you compare it now to what she was with Eteri, she is still not at this level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHb2YiJEEbA
(2015 RN FP)

After Eteri she had to come back to SPB to her former coach Alina Pisarenko, which she is not nearly as experienced as Eteri or even has the same resources, the environment wasn't as competitive,... (personally i think this was a mistake from the Federation: she was junior world silver medalist, we know how Figure Skating is state funded in Russia, they should have suggested her some better option in SPB) anyway the coach wanted her to train the 4s and got injured because of it, she skipped JGP events because apparently she wasn't ready, and then showed up in Spain and she was a hot mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5UMhG7dFPM
(you can see in this very competition how she was still the great skater of the year before with excellent skating skills, but confidence especially with the jumps was starting to fade away, i'd say partially because of the ridiculous complexity of that program)

OT: i'm seeing some of those issues Sima had with Pisarenko especially with the jumps, now with Sofia Moroz. /OT


She then switched to Rukavicin, and she tried to relearn everything with him but things got worse (Rukavicin also teaches a weird technique, with those wide legs in the air), and confidence was completely lost at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbfLznQOGVg
(This was not even one of her worse performances during those days but you can see she couldn't do 3-3 anymore, uncertainty with every triple jump)


After Rukavicin she wanted to quit with FS (possibly she didn't train for months), Plushenko convinced her to try again on his group in late september of last year and they started reworking everything, starting with the jumps with programs lighter in choreography in order to bring back the consistency and it worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFr1QpjMJY
(you can see the gaps in this program but spins were faster compared to the previous year and she fought for all the jumps)


And now with Turenko, her 3f-3t and other triples got bigger and cleaner, and she is building more stamina, it is still a work in progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolSRgHMeOo

Every competiton she is looking more trained, more confident, she is adding more choreography, she is consistent with the jumps and she is getting new PBs, i think she can show up in a very good form at Nationals (if she is going, fingers crossed).

Thankfully Turenko seems a coach who cares about skating skills and artistry so i think she will keep improving on that as well.
 
Former ice dancer. Partnered with Bukin Senior. The Besti squat is named after her.


Also, she is the person who said the following stuff openly in interviews and talk shows, not as an anonymous user on internet boards.
"I can't be entirely sure, but i think that if Medvedeva didn't leave, Tutberidze wouldn't waste her nerves and endure Zagitova's whims. She would turn away and work with young girls"
"If Zhenya didn't leave, Zagitova wouldn't be that good now. Alina is endured in retaliation to Zhenya."
"We all wanted very much for her [Zhenya] to win. And they gave her such low GOE. She should have gotten higher PCs. And our team should have fought for this, but they gave her up. She lost unfairly, in my oppinion. Yes, Alina did one combination more, but the other elements and all components, I think, Zhenya should be above her. And nobody took care of this. This is why we are so mad"
"After this, Eteri Georgievna sent me a SMS, i will not quote it, but it did not contain any swearing"
"If Zhenya skated for Canada, she would have won. Zhenya was simply abandoned, nobody supported her"
 
I am mad because there is no bottom for them to hit.
I mean, Bestemianova :shocked:
Besti is not "all of the Russian FS community". She is just one particular person who decided to climb her soapbox and speak her sentimental opinion. We are ok to agree or disagree with her. BTW, this video is very good example of how people from different camps (team Alina -vs- Zhenya clan) could discuss things in a civilized and respectful manner. Without generalizing like: "Russian sport press is evil", "Russian FS is hell", "Alina's fans are crazy", "Zhenya's fans are rude". Etc. There are actually some rather good opinions there, they were voiced towards the end of this talk-show. It explains partially why Zhenya was a bit more (just probably a bit bit bit tiny more) supported by a high-rank retired skaters and Russian FS establishment as an athlete who struggled with an injury and worked a bit harder (longer) for her Olympic medal and why Alina was probably more of a people's popular choice and sentimental favorite, because she is younger, naive and shy. Besti liked Zhenya better as she admitted because they all seen her putting a bit more seasons and medals under her belt and dominating a for a longer time, so naturally some/many Russian retired skaters could relate to that a bit more since the general opinion among them was the simple thought that Zhenya worked longer and trained a bit harder for her hypothetical gold. That is probably exactly what Trankov and Besti are trying to say. People, hide your pitchforks. ;) We can disagree or agree with them. But it doesn't mean they want Alina to fail. Besides, there are other Russian experts and ex-skaters/coaches like Butyrskaya which were more Alina's fans because of her difficulty and charisma.
 
Also, she is the person who said the following stuff openly in interviews and talk shows, not as an anonymous user on internet boards.
"I can't be entirely sure, but i think that if Medvedeva didn't leave, Tutberidze wouldn't waste her nerves and endure Zagitova's whims. She would turn away and work with young girls"
"If Zhenya didn't leave, Zagitova wouldn't be that good now. Alina is endured in retaliation to Zhenya."
"We all wanted very much for her [Zhenya] to win. And they gave her such low GOE. She should have gotten higher PCs. And our team should have fought for this, but they gave her up. She lost unfairly, in my oppinion. Yes, Alina did one combination more, but the other elements and all components, I think, Zhenya should be above her. And nobody took care of this. This is why we are so mad"
"After this, Eteri Georgievna sent me a SMS, i will not quote it, but it did not contain any swearing"
"If Zhenya skated for Canada, she would have won. Zhenya was simply abandoned, nobody supported her"
Besti (TAT's proxy) can bla-bla whatever they want. They are just bored on retirement. Their opinion is not the last resort or the end of the world after all.

If it would be me, I would gave them both a gold medal. Because I'm cool like that. :D
 
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