2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[lesnar001]

Besti is not "all of the Russian FS community". She is just one particular person who decided to clime her soapbox and speak her sentimental opinion. We are ok to agree or disagree with her. BTW, this video is very good example of how people from different camps (team Alina -vs- Zhenya clan) could discuss things in a civilized and respectful manner. Without generalizing like: "Russian sport press is evil", "Russian FS is hell", "Alina's fans are crazy", "Zhenya's fans are rude". Etc. There are actually some rather good opinions there, they were voiced towards the end of this talk-show. It explains partially why Zhenya was a bit more (just probably a bit bit bit tiny more) supported by a high-rank retired skaters and Russian FS establishment as an athlete who struggled with an injury and worked a bit harder (longer) for her Olympic medal and why Alina was probably more of a people's popular choice and sentimental favorite, because she is younger, naive and shy. Besti liked Zhenya better as she admitted because they all seen her putting a bit more seasons and medals under her belt and dominating a for a longer time, so naturally some/many Russian retired skaters could relate to that a bit more since the general opinion among them was the simple thought that Zhenya worked longer and trained a bit harder for her hypothetical gold. That is probably exactly what Trankov and Besti are trying to say. People, hide your pitchforks. We can disagree or agree with them. But it doesn't mean they want Alina to fail. Besides, there are other Russian experts and ex-skaters/coaches like Butyrskaya which were more Alina's fans because of her difficulty and charisma.

I don't give a rusty hoot who Bestie or Bobrova or Trankov or TAT was "rooting" for to win.

But when you start saying things like "enduring Zagitova's whims" - that is insulting.
And questioning the fairness of the results.

And their timing is impeccable. They wait until Alina has a competition coming up and start chattering away like magpies.
Trankov right before Rostelecom. Now Bestie right before the Grand Prix Final.
So, IMO they do want Alina to fail or at least get into her head.

This isn't random people on twitter or a FS forum. These are big names in Russian FS.

This would be the same as if Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, etc.... complained that Michelle was "robbed" by Tara.
But no, nobody said anything like that. And certainly not 9 months later.

IMO they show no class at all. They come across as the "mean" kids in school. Only they are supposedly adults.

 

[lesnar001]

Besti (TAT's proxy) can bla-bla whatever they want. They are just bored on retirement. Their opinion is not the last resort or the end of the world after all.

If it would be me, I would gave them both a gold medal. Because I'm cool like that.

Maybe at the time of the Olympics I felt that way.

But with all this nonsense now....
NO WAY JOSE.
Alina won her Gold fair and square.

 

[malya]

A few days before the GPF/JGPF this 'undeserved loss almost a year ago' mumbo jumbo starts again and again...

If you are bitter and want to get over your anger at the 'unfair result' maybe stop mentioning it 24/7 and focus on the 8 (!!!) girls competing in the final

5 medals are doable right?

 

[neusw]

A few days before the GPF/JGPF this 'undeserved loss almost a year ago' mumbo jumbo starts again and again...

If you are bitter and want to get over your anger at the 'unfair result' maybe stop mentioning it 24/7 and focus on the 8 (!!!) girls competing in the final

5 medals are doable right?

Very doable, as long as Tuk stays on her feet.

 

[neusw]

Oh, I see. You guys are mad. Hm.. because they are ...winning? :sarcasm:

Sorry, who exactly wins in this situation? The talking heads desperately clinging onto their fading days of fame? Cuz it sure as hell isnt helping anyone who’s actually trying to skate.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

With Serafima you have to look at the whole picture, cause if you compare it now to what she was with Eteri, she is still not at this level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHb2YiJEEbA
(2015 RN FP)

After Eteri she had to come back to SPB to her former coach Alina Pisarenko, which she is not nearly as experienced as Eteri or even has the same resources, the environment wasn't as competitive,... (personally i think this was a mistake from the Federation: she was junior world silver medalist, we know how Figure Skating is state funded in Russia, they should have suggested her some better option in SPB) anyway the coach wanted her to train the 4s and got injured because of it, she skipped JGP events because apparently she wasn't ready, and then showed up in Spain and she was a hot mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5UMhG7dFPM
(you can see in this very competition how she was still the great skater of the year before with excellent skating skills, but confidence especially with the jumps was starting to fade away, i'd say partially because of the ridiculous complexity of that program)

OT: i'm seeing some of those issues Sima had with Pisarenko especially with the jumps, now with Sofia Moroz. /OT


She then switched to Rukavicin, and she tried to relearn everything with him but things got worse (Rukavicin also teaches a weird technique, with those wide legs in the air), and confidence was completely lost at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbfLznQOGVg
(This was not even one of her worse performances during those days but you can see she couldn't do 3-3 anymore, uncertainty with every triple jump)


After Rukavicin she wanted to quit with FS (possibly she didn't train for months), Plushenko convinced her to try again on his group in late september of last year and they started reworking everything, starting with the jumps with programs lighter in choreography in order to bring back the consistency and it worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFr1QpjMJY
(you can see the gaps in this program but spins were faster compared to the previous year and she fought for all the jumps)


And now with Turenko, her 3f-3t and other triples got bigger and cleaner, and she is building more stamina, it is still a work in progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolSRgHMeOo

Every competiton she is looking more trained, more confident, she is adding more choreography, she is consistent with the jumps and she is getting new PBs, i think she can show up in a very good form at Nationals (if she is going, fingers crossed).

Thankfully Turenko seems a coach who cares about skating skills and artistry so i think she will keep improving on that as well.

Yes to everything! Especially regarding her status with Turenko “it is still a work in progress”. I have no idea how far this road will go but I’m all about it and I will continue to support Sima every step of the way!

BTW: Angelina Turenko won me over long ago but seeing her work begin to show itself in Sima’s programs is only adding to my respect for her. I wish Anastasiia would return to her :yes:

 

[skatenewbie]

Very doable, as long as Tuk stays on her feet.

Tuktamysheva's been consistent this season, she only fall twice

 

[Alex65]

These people on the Fetisov show - they were stuck in the last century. Their memories of how they negotiated with the judges about the victory of one or the other and what was right and suitable for everyone. It's horrible. I feel sorry for Fetisov and Butyrskaya , who were in the company of old marazmatikov. I also think that SMS Eteri contained the address of a psychiatrist doctor.

 

[moriel]

Besti is not "all of the Russian FS community". She is just one particular person who decided to clime her soapbox and speak her sentimental opinion. We are ok to agree or disagree with her. BTW, this video is very good example of how people from different camps (team Alina -vs- Zhenya clan) could discuss things in a civilized and respectful manner. Without generalizing like: "Russian sport press is evil", "Russian FS is hell", "Alina's fans are crazy", "Zhenya's fans are rude". Etc. There are actually some rather good opinions there, they were voiced towards the end of this talk-show. It explains partially why Zhenya was a bit more (just probably a bit bit bit tiny more) supported by a high-rank retired skaters and Russian FS establishment as an athlete who struggled with an injury and worked a bit harder (longer) for her Olympic medal and why Alina was probably more of a people's popular choice and sentimental favorite, because she is younger, naive and shy. Besti liked Zhenya better as she admitted because they all seen her putting a bit more seasons and medals under her belt and dominating a for a longer time, so naturally some/many Russian retired skaters could relate to that a bit more since the general opinion among them was the simple thought that Zhenya worked longer and trained a bit harder for her hypothetical gold. That is probably exactly what Trankov and Besti are trying to say. People, hide your pitchforks. We can disagree or agree with them. But it doesn't mean they want Alina to fail. Besides, there are other Russian experts and ex-skaters/coaches like Butyrskaya which were more Alina's fans because of her difficulty and charisma.

I am sorry, I would not classify that civilized and respectful.
And of course, there is nothing civilized in bringing all this "Zhenyawuzrobbed" bs right before the competition where Alina competes. That very same Alina who was innocent enough to say she reads what is written about her on the internet.

I personally have a lot of questions after that show.
What Rusfed thinks about people claiming, on television, that FS scores are not result of the competition output, but a result of negotiations between feds? Because this is what Bestemianova said.
Does rusfed really believe that Trankov, in such a short time, prepared the prillian pair Tarasova/Morosov? Because that is literally what the rusfed representative said, as if Trankov took two noname juniors and lead them into GPF, except no.

I wouldnt say its marasm, my guess so far is that they are being paid.

PS: A lot of respect to Butyrskaya for being reasonable.

 

[Daba]

I am sorry, I would not classify that civilized and respectful.
And of course, there is nothing civilized in bringing all this "Zhenyawuzrobbed" bs right before the competition where Alina competes. That very same Alina who was innocent enough to say she reads what is written about her on the internet.

I personally have a lot of questions after that show.
What Rusfed thinks about people claiming, on television, that FS scores are not result of the competition output, but a result of negotiations between feds? Because this is what Bestemianova said.
Does rusfed really believe that Trankov, in such a short time, prepared the prillian pair Tarasova/Morosov? Because that is literally what the rusfed representative said, as if Trankov took two noname juniors and lead them into GPF, except no.

I wouldnt say its marasm, my guess so far is that they are being paid.

PS: A lot of respect to Butyrskaya for being reasonable.

Please, move on. It’s so tiring to read all this “poor Alina”, “poor Zhenya”, “it’s paid” and so on.

 

[Scott512]

I don't give a rusty hoot who Bestie or Bobrova or Trankov or TAT was "rooting" for to win.

But when you start saying things like "enduring Zagitova's whims" - that is insulting.
And questioning the fairness of the results.

And their timing is impeccable. They wait until Alina has a competition coming up and start chattering away like magpies.
Trankov right before Rostelecom. Now Bestie right before the Grand Prix Final.
So, IMO they do want Alina to fail or at least get into her head.

This isn't random people on twitter or a FS forum. These are big names in Russian FS.

This would be the same as if Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, etc.... complained that Michelle was "robbed" by Tara.
But no, nobody said anything like that. And certainly not 9 months later.

IMO they show no class at all. They come across as the "mean" kids in school. Only they are supposedly adults.

I couldn't have said it any better myself Lesnar. I wish I had written what you wrote. It is so frustrating seeing a Lena get dragged like this as you pointed out right before the Moscow competition and now right before the Grand Prix final by famous Russian figure skaters who have had great success in their careers. Yes besti talking about Alinas whims and acting like Zhenya got robbed in the Olympics is smearing Alinas Olympic gold. Sad. Damn sad.

And great point Lesnar about how if Dick Button and Peggy Fleming complained about how terrible it was that Terra edged Michele for Olympic gold the way Alina did Evgenia is a great analogy and comparison because 1998 and 2018 we're very similar with the ladies Olympic gold and silver medalistscreen. Play upstart fifteen-year-olds won Gold over the established great veteran 18 year olds.

By the way legendary Dick Button had some praise for Alina after her Olympic gold medal performance. That was nice to read nicer than what Ashley Wagner had to say.

 

[Scott512]

I am sorry, I would not classify that civilized and respectful.
And of course, there is nothing civilized in bringing all this "Zhenyawuzrobbed" bs right before the competition where Alina competes. That very same Alina who was innocent enough to say she reads what is written about her on the internet.

I personally have a lot of questions after that show.
What Rusfed thinks about people claiming, on television, that FS scores are not result of the competition output, but a result of negotiations between feds? Because this is what Bestemianova said.
Does rusfed really believe that Trankov, in such a short time, prepared the prillian pair Tarasova/Morosov? Because that is literally what the rusfed representative said, as if Trankov took two noname juniors and lead them into GPF, except no.

I wouldnt say its marasm, my guess so far is that they are being paid.

PS: A lot of respect to Butyrskaya for being reasonable.

I wonder what Maria thinks of all these great female Russian figure skaters and how dominant they have been in recent years on the senior and junior level. I remember when it was just Maria and Irina for the most part. They're like the godmothers to all these wonderful kids like Adelina, Yulia, Zagitova and Medvedeva and all the great juniors.

I wish I had seen the show you speak of with English captions so I can understand what they were saying. That makes what Natalia said even worse if it was on a TV show about figure skating and not some random internet post she made. To actually call in the legitimacy of zagitova is Olympic gold medal is disgusting and as you pointed out and as others have pointed out this happens right before her competition for the Grand Prix final and right before the Moscow competition a couple weeks ago with Trankov. It kind of makes you go hmmmm.

 

[Scott512]

I am sorry, I would not classify that civilized and respectful.
And of course, there is nothing civilized in bringing all this "Zhenyawuzrobbed" bs right before the competition where Alina competes. That very same Alina who was innocent enough to say she reads what is written about her on the internet.

I personally have a lot of questions after that show.
What Rusfed thinks about people claiming, on television, that FS scores are not result of the competition output, but a result of negotiations between feds? Because this is what Bestemianova said.
Does rusfed really believe that Trankov, in such a short time, prepared the prillian pair Tarasova/Morosov? Because that is literally what the rusfed representative said, as if Trankov took two noname juniors and lead them into GPF, except no.

I wouldnt say its marasm, my guess so far is that they are being paid.

PS: A lot of respect to Butyrskaya for being reasonable.

I don't give a rusty hoot who Bestie or Bobrova or Trankov or TAT was "rooting" for to win.

But when you start saying things like "enduring Zagitova's whims" - that is insulting.
And questioning the fairness of the results.

And their timing is impeccable. They wait until Alina has a competition coming up and start chattering away like magpies.
Trankov right before Rostelecom. Now Bestie right before the Grand Prix Final.
So, IMO they do want Alina to fail or at least get into her head.

This isn't random people on twitter or a FS forum. These are big names in Russian FS.

This would be the same as if Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, etc.... complained that Michelle was "robbed" by Tara.
But no, nobody said anything like that. And certainly not 9 months later.

IMO they show no class at all. They come across as the "mean" kids in school. Only they are supposedly adults.

Interesting when a bad year can still produce so many great skaters though...
Alina's SB is 238
Liza's SB is 219
Zhenya's SB is 204
Sima's SB is 202
Anya Tarusina's SB is 198
Sonya's SB is 198
Stasya's SB is 197
Leonova's SB is 194

And Gulyakova and Gubanova might go shooting up there next week at Golden Spin.
This doesn't even take into account the 3A, with SBs of 221, 205, and 203 currently, all of which might improve next week at the JGPF, along with Nastya Tarakanova who needs to get back up there as she's now been knocked out.

Great Counterpoint SFM! Not such a bad senior season so far or the Russian ladies is it? And next year will be even better.

 

[Scott512]

:2thumbs:

If we take a look at what TAT & Co. have been saying, it has gone from TAT criticizing Alina's actual skating, to Trankov musing on the possibility of Alina skating poorly, to Bestemianova's made up hypotheticals about a coach-student relationship she has no firsthand knowledge of. They are having to reach far into the absurd to find something to attack Alina with, and that says everything about how much these "criticisms" are worth.

Bestemianova can redeem herself slightly by releasing the SMS Eteri sent her, though, because I am dying to find out what was said.

Eteri should not be in any contact with Besti.

But I agree with your other comments wholeheartedly.

 

[[email protected]]

Please, move on. It’s so tiring to read all this “poor Alina”, “poor Zhenya”, “it’s paid” and so on.

I think general public would have moved on as the season started. For some reason certain people from the Russian figure skating world do not want us to move playing dirty tricks. And these people are not only well-known athletes/coaches - they profess using public media. That's the real problem - not my or moriel's comments.

 

[Scott512]

I am sorry, I would not classify that civilized and respectful.
And of course, there is nothing civilized in bringing all this "Zhenyawuzrobbed" bs right before the competition where Alina competes. That very same Alina who was innocent enough to say she reads what is written about her on the internet.

I personally have a lot of questions after that show.
What Rusfed thinks about people claiming, on television, that FS scores are not result of the competition output, but a result of negotiations between feds? Because this is what Bestemianova said.
Does rusfed really believe that Trankov, in such a short time, prepared the prillian pair Tarasova/Morosov? Because that is literally what the rusfed representative said, as if Trankov took two noname juniors and lead them into GPF, except no.

I wouldnt say its marasm, my guess so far is that they are being paid.

PS: A lot of respect to Butyrskaya for being reasonable.

I don't give a rusty hoot who Bestie or Bobrova or Trankov or TAT was "rooting" for to win.

But when you start saying things like "enduring Zagitova's whims" - that is insulting.
And questioning the fairness of the results.

And their timing is impeccable. They wait until Alina has a competition coming up and start chattering away like magpies.
Trankov right before Rostelecom. Now Bestie right before the Grand Prix Final.
So, IMO they do want Alina to fail or at least get into her head.

This isn't random people on twitter or a FS forum. These are big names in Russian FS.

This would be the same as if Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, etc.... complained that Michelle was "robbed" by Tara.
But no, nobody said anything like that. And certainly not 9 months later.

IMO they show no class at all. They come across as the "mean" kids in school. Only they are supposedly adults.

Interesting when a bad year can still produce so many great skaters though...
Alina's SB is 238
Liza's SB is 219
Zhenya's SB is 204
Sima's SB is 202
Anya Tarusina's SB is 198
Sonya's SB is 198
Stasya's SB is 197
Leonova's SB is 194

And Gulyakova and Gubanova might go shooting up there next week at Golden Spin.
This doesn't even take into account the 3A, with SBs of 221, 205, and 203 currently, all of which might improve next week at the JGPF, along with Nastya Tarakanova who needs to get back up there as she's now been knocked out.

I think general public would have moved on as the season started. For some reason certain people from the Russian figure skating world do not want us to move playing dirty tricks. And these people are not only well-known athletes/coaches - they profess using public media. That's the real problem - not my or moriel's comments.

So true Sam. We will leave it alone if big names in Russian figure skating leave it alone. But they cant. Besties RECENT comment was the worst because she is an Olympic champion from Russia and she suggested that Alinas Olympic championship gold medal was not deserved. 10 months later? Really? That is awful.

Again I and others will gladly leave it alone if others do. They dont.

 

[plushyfan]

Who is Bestemianova?

she is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk for me one of the best Carmens ever if not the best! OG champion, Igor Bobrin's wife..or don't you know who is Igor Bobrin? no matter you are young

 

[plushyfan]

Besti is not "all of the Russian FS community". She is just one particular person who decided to clime her soapbox and speak her sentimental opinion. We are ok to agree or disagree with her. BTW, this video is very good example of how people from different camps (team Alina -vs- Zhenya clan) could discuss things in a civilized and respectful manner. Without generalizing like: "Russian sport press is evil", "Russian FS is hell", "Alina's fans are crazy", "Zhenya's fans are rude". Etc. There are actually some rather good opinions there, they were voiced towards the end of this talk-show. It explains partially why Zhenya was a bit more (just probably a bit bit bit tiny more) supported by a high-rank retired skaters and Russian FS establishment as an athlete who struggled with an injury and worked a bit harder (longer) for her Olympic medal and why Alina was probably more of a people's popular choice and sentimental favorite, because she is younger, naive and shy. Besti liked Zhenya better as she admitted because they all seen her putting a bit more seasons and medals under her belt and dominating a for a longer time, so naturally some/many Russian retired skaters could relate to that a bit more since the general opinion among them was the simple thought that Zhenya worked longer and trained a bit harder for her hypothetical gold. That is probably exactly what Trankov and Besti are trying to say. People, hide your pitchforks. We can disagree or agree with them. But it doesn't mean they want Alina to fail. Besides, there are other Russian experts and ex-skaters/coaches like Butyrskaya which were more Alina's fans because of her difficulty and charisma.

If he is a big name in Russian FS Plushenko thought Alina will win she was stronger thus he thinks that is well-deserved victory. (But after IdF he supported Evgenia in this mess. Thank God!)

 

[bewitched]

Dear fans of the Russian ladies,

I have a friend who recently became a fan of figure skating (I made him ) and especially of the senior Russian ladies, so he got inspired and decided to make a video - like a trailer for the fight for senior spots at the Russian Nationals this year. I think the video excellently captions the physical and mental strength of all these wonderful ladies. And a small tip - keep attention to the lyrics!

So, I hope you will enjoy it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIt...YeOpnLDwFosV4eSu_Cok3grn9jojIk98uX_0TibXETdU4

 

[Fluture]

Dear fans of the Russian ladies,

I have a friend who recently became a fan of figure skating (I made him ) and especially of the senior Russian ladies, so he got inspired and decided to make a video - like a trailer for the fight for senior spots at the Russian Nationals this year. I think the video excellently captions the physical and mental strength of all these wonderful ladies. And a small tip - keep attention to the lyrics!

So, I hope you will enjoy it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIt...YeOpnLDwFosV4eSu_Cok3grn9jojIk98uX_0TibXETdU4

Omg, this is glorious! Your friend is really talented.

And I love how he used the lyrics.