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Nominally, these are age groups. Though the skaters weren't just sorted by age; e.g. Tarakanova who is older than Trusova got to a younger group. I don't know why so and whether there are any implications of that.
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Nominally, these are age groups. Though the skaters weren't just sorted by age; e.g. Tarakanova who is older than Trusova got to a younger group. I don't know why so and whether there are any implications of that.
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It is decided by results from Junior Nationals.
First Six at Junior Nationals (Trusova, Kostornaia, Konstantinova, Gubanova, Panenkova, Vasilieva) go on the Junior A Team (13-21), Konstantinova is then bumped up to Senior A Team and her space is given to Sofia Samodurova (perhaps because Sofia is senior eligible this year).
The next two girls at Junior Nationals (Tarakanova and Kanysheva) go on to the Girls A Team (11-19). They are joined by Tarusina because she won Elder Age Nationals. This far the logic is very obvious to me. What I don't understand is how they decided which girls were on the Junior Reserve and which were on the Girls Team Reserve.
First Six at Junior Nationals (Trusova, Kostornaia, Konstantinova, Gubanova, Panenkova, Vasilieva) go on the Junior A Team (13-21), Konstantinova is then bumped up to Senior A Team and her space is given to Sofia Samodurova (perhaps because Sofia is senior eligible this year).
The next two girls at Junior Nationals (Tarakanova and Kanysheva) go on to the Girls A Team (11-19). They are joined by Tarusina because she won Elder Age Nationals. This far the logic is very obvious to me. What I don't understand is how they decided which girls were on the Junior Reserve and which were on the Girls Team Reserve.
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Thanks for the explanations.
Out of curiosity - what about Valeria Mikhailova? How did she end up in junior reserves? Is it an age thing?
Konstantinova's father is karate's coach, we know how important are these roles in Russia.
Here's the thing: if they want to keep pushing her, i'm fine, but jeez invest more on the skater, cause her outing at Worlds was not acceptable. Gubanova would have done soo much better than that for sure.
And I actually like Stanislava: she has a good presence on the ice, a nice lutz, but at this point Chebotareva should send her to Lambiel with Kolyada or someone else to improve her skating skills.
While Panenkova also needs to work with a good choreographer (or Daniil needs to put more effort), becacause she needs better programs: she's very consistent, and her skating skills are decent enough i guess, but work more on the facial expression and more inspired music, maybe a big classical piece with loud music, like Rachmaninoff or Prokofiev, to cover that her skating doesn't look as unique.
That actually means nothing. It only means something if her father is someone like TAT in karate.
Overall, it looks more likely that her family has money.
Do we know if he's father was a friend of Putin? cause i remember someone's else being his judo's coach and now he's a famous person in Russia (maybe Boris Rotenberg's father, i can't remember)
Anyway i do believe that his father has money or he's someone important (or even SPB fed pushing her) more than TAT actively pushing her, since she is usually stands only for Buyanova's skaters or CSKA skaters in general.
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Figure skating is expensive, a lot of people's parents have money, but I am not aware of anyone managing to buy a spot on the team. And if her father is so important it is strange that nobody has heard of him beyond him being a former Karate champion.
If we are doing conspiracy theories, the way Gubanova has been handled looks very much like nudging her towards Buianova: "see, you will be underscored and someone is always going to be chosen over you unless you move to an influential coach". Considering the central role TAT has played in this it isn't really surprising. Now she is personally working with Nastya. We'll see where her true sympathies lie and whether she even remembers Konstantinova's name next season. Or Stasya will wish wish TAT didn't remember her name, we know how TAT's sympathies can turn.
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I don‘t want to put conspiracy theories out there, so I‘m going to talk about something else:
Why is Anna Sherbakova not even on the junior reserve team but rather on the reserve team of „Girls“ (I‘m not exactly sure what that means, I only know Juniors and Seniors, everything below is a mystery to me) ?? I mean, I know her performance wasn‘t great last season but she was injured! And she‘s the girl with the 4Lz combo ??
Why is Anna Sherbakova not even on the junior reserve team but rather on the reserve team of „Girls“ (I‘m not exactly sure what that means, I only know Juniors and Seniors, everything below is a mystery to me) ?? I mean, I know her performance wasn‘t great last season but she was injured! And she‘s the girl with the 4Lz combo ??
We can even pretend that there are no conspiracy theories to make but that doesn't change the fact that the judging at the last two Nationals was REALLY BAD, and RusFed is effectively ruining Russian dominance in Ladies FS with their inappropriate decisions.
As good as Konstantinova's FS was (except there were overlooked underrotations), judges should have taken into account the fact that she made a very costly mistake in the SP, while on the other hand you had skaters like Gubanova who skated clean both programs.
Not to mention the fact that they keep overscoring Sotskova, even when she makes mistakes.
All these weird decisions resulted in bad outings at Worlds 2017 (where Medvedeva saved them with her gold medal) and 2018 (no Medvedeva no medals)
We can talk about Pogo and Zagitova bad outings but you have to realize that anyone can have a bad day, but if you have 3 medal contenders, when someone is out you still have two candidates: at Worlds 2018 neither Sotskova or Konstantinova were medal contenders.
They also share some fault with Pogorilaya, because even when she was skating clean all the time, judging at nationals was never in her favor, that always put too much pressure for her.
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Sotskova deserved to win GPF2017. I'm fine with her being on the national team, but she needs to make sure she doesn't keep URing her jumps, whatever she needs to tweak, I hope she does. I like her capability to have soft immersion in the music, though she needs to be served with better choreography.
Gubanova's jumping technique needs work. She keeps her arms very close to her body while preparing for her jumps, and therefore needs to put in a lot of force to get full rotations. If she didn't get the pop, we would see a lot of errors. As it stands, her jumps look very wobbly a lot of the time.
That said, I think she is better than Konstantinova. Better ability to capture attention, and to settle well with the music. I don't buy her as an artist, but she has potential.
Konstantinova is not terrible, she has jumps that can look alright, but she is far too tentative going into them and doesn't hit them far too many times. She hasn't really been able to produce anything out of the ordinary in her programs, and is pretty immature when compared to Gubanova.
Gubanova's jumping technique needs work. She keeps her arms very close to her body while preparing for her jumps, and therefore needs to put in a lot of force to get full rotations. If she didn't get the pop, we would see a lot of errors. As it stands, her jumps look very wobbly a lot of the time.
That said, I think she is better than Konstantinova. Better ability to capture attention, and to settle well with the music. I don't buy her as an artist, but she has potential.
Konstantinova is not terrible, she has jumps that can look alright, but she is far too tentative going into them and doesn't hit them far too many times. She hasn't really been able to produce anything out of the ordinary in her programs, and is pretty immature when compared to Gubanova.
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Because she was only 13th at Junior Nationals and 5th at Elder Age Nationals and missed the entire first half of the season
Really, she's on the team at all because of those quads and her performance at the Cup Final. Winning such an event rather than Nationals puts you on the reserve team not the main one.
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Albina Gerasimova(6yo)
From... some random town called Balashikha. So late into the season, there still are such surprises. Amazing skating skills and that's the best spiral I've seen anyone around this age perform.
From... some random town called Balashikha. So late into the season, there still are such surprises. Amazing skating skills and that's the best spiral I've seen anyone around this age perform.
That sad moment when you are clumsier than a 6yo
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And I should say not only around this age, especially the first one, out of mind:shocked:
Thanks for the link
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It reminds me the Russian adjective "nakatana", that I've read on the forums many times. It's something like "overskated" in a sense of kid being extremely intensively trained on ice, spending hours and hours there, more than usual and advised for certain age.
It often happens, when one of parents is skating coach and it's convenient for her/him to have an eye on a child at work.
Such kids have amazeballs skills at very young age, but they're not necessarily the most talented or even talented at all - they just skate instead of playing dolls or cars and naturally perfect basic skills.
Zhilina sisters are the prime example because of their coach mother, but they apparently possess natural talent as well. :agree:
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Someone please please PLEASE give me information on Sofia Samodurova!!! I keep hearing about nearly everyone else! And what of Stanislava and the other girls who could take away “Masha’s” spot?
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She's on the funded athletes' juniors A list, spending vacations with Fedichkina.
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