2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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The late 2004, early 2005 age group? I almost want to say... no one. When Chistyakova is in the top 3 of an age group, you know it's not a great one... Outside of her, there's Sinitsyna and Kanysheva. Who are... okay, I guess. The real horror starts outside of the top 3 when we have to go to someone like Moroz who skates like she's stuck in mud. Well, things can always change and perhaps these girls manage to surprise me positively but at this point, I'm almost dreading the juniors when the 2003-2004 age group is promoted to seniors.
Well, let's try to be positive. For this age group, I'd say that the best one is probably Sinitsyna. Kanysheva gets scored the highest domestically but I just don't see it. Sinitsyna has stronger performing abilities, much better spins and more clean jumps. Kanysheva's skating skills are slightly better but not a whole lot. The gap is massive from these two to Chistyakova and even more massive from Chistyakova to Moroz and co. but both Kanysheva and Sinitsyna are a good step or two down from even Tarakanova.
If we can include skaters who are in early 2004 there's Kostyuk but I'm just not sure about her status. I prefer her over both Sinitsyna and Kanysheva but she doesn't seem to be in very good standing. It's possible she'll make her JGP debut a year from now, at the age of 15.
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Wow, you're so knowledgeable! Thank you.
Selfishly, I hope it’s the Nino Rota version even though it’s a bit overused because it’s beautiful
Historically:
Yulia had a R&J Nino Rota AND Korzeniowski program while coached by Eteri
Yulia also had an older R&J Nino Rota program at juniors or so
Erokhov had a R&J program (is that Henry Mancini?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNqsCxRMh2U
So i think it will be either Nino Rota (because Eteri Team uses it a lot) or Korzeniowski (because they used it less, so maybe they will want something different.
I would love it to be Prokofiev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hOR50u7ek.
UPD: Daniil also choreographed
Ivan Righini ITA
SP: "Un giorno per noi" (I think by Josh Groban) from Romeo and Juliet; choreo by Daniil Gleikhengauz
Hmm so i just hope he wants something new and does Prokofiev then =D
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You're welcome! But keep in mind, my opinions aren't the truth and hence I'd suggest watching a couple of their performances and making your own judgements.
Regrettably, I totally forgot someone so let me fix that. Yasmina Kadyrova as a late 2004 birthday is someone who I have never been especially impressed by or excited about, but due to the questionable level of girls in this 2004-2005 age group and the fact that she appears to now be training in Eteri's group, it wouldn't be surprising if she ended up becoming the most successful skater for this age group even as soon as next season. It's difficult to place her above skaters like Sinitsyna and Kanysheva at this point in time, but one can't really ignore the Eteri factor and the possibilities that brings. And Kadyrova does have very good edges on both Flip and Lutz which is one of these difference-makers.
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^ all of what Shayuki said 
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So the late 2004/ early 2005 group isn't exciting yet, but what about the year after them? Are they better or also not that great do you think? Because they'll be coming into juniors once this great group leaves. Eteri has some girls in that group like Maya Khromykh, Kamila Valieva and Daria Usacheva (?) I believe.
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Kamila Valieva is the only one of those I know since I usually don‘t follow anything other than seniors and juniors. But I got to notice her because of her great spins. She reminds me of Yulia Lipnitskaya in her flexibility which I love. Yulia will always be one of a kind in the quality of her spins but I‘m just glad when anyone comes to close to that. That reminds me of Alisa Lozko, another Russian skater with lovely spins. But I‘ve heard she doesn‘t compete anymore and if I look at her jumps from older competition videos I can see why. Unfortunately they weren‘t nearly as good as her spins to keep up with the others... 
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In MY opinion, they’re not currently anywhere near as good as the 2003-2004 age group but I expect them to progress significantly under Eteri before they make their JGP debut
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Well, I can only point at Alina again. She was ninth at junior nationals one year before her breakthrough season. Two years before she won OGM she was NINTH. Three or four years ago she didn‘t even have her triples. So I‘d say as this example shows, it‘s really too early to wonder about this. Now everything‘s about Sasha, Anna and Alena and rightfully so. But just think that in 2022 they will be more like Zhenya than Alina agewise. For all we know there might be another 15 year old prodigy in Beijing we haven‘t even heard of yet because she hasn‘t shown any outstanding talents to take the Gold.
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They're better than 2004-2005 but not as talented as 2003-2004. Khromykh I can't say much about, I'm not a fan at this point in time and Usacheva is okay but nothing that makes me really look forward to her junior debut with anticipation. It's possible that they both improve substantially under Eteri but that's the status at this point in time, I believe. Kamila Valieva should be the top talent and her flexibility and especially spins are very exciting as that's an aspect that's a bit lacking with the Russian top ladies since Lipnitskaya. Even so, while I have Valieva as by far the most talented of the age group, I still don't quite have her all the way up there. As always, things can change, but after the 2003-2004 age group gets promoted, it's looking like a quiet couple of years for Russia for juniors. Well, I say "quiet" but chances are, they'll still compete internationally.
As we get to younger and younger skaters, projecting them accurately becomes more and more difficult. Still, I'm rather confident that the 2006-2007 age group is a fair bit stronger than the 2005-2006 age group already, and 2007-2008 is the one that can compete with 2003-2004 for the title of the best age group ever.
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I really doubt there'll be someone "we haven't heard of", there only is so much to work with in the 2005-2006 age group and remember that when a skater comes around "who we haven't heard of", they tend to be under Eteri, and we'll automatically hear about them when they move to train with Eteri. For instance, what you can say about Alina is "She was a student of Eteri's", which indeed is the entire reason I checked her out before the 16-17 season(Though I wasn't impressed by her very much at the time).
The simple reality is that you no longer are able to dominate simply by being able to consistently jump triples, you need something else as well and usually skaters don't just get that "something else" out of nowhere(Notable exception: Anna Shcherbakova but she still has the Eteri thing).
I realize you'll use Zagitova as an example, but the reality still is that skaters like Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Radionova, Medvedeva, Lipnitskaya etc. all were top talents at an early age and you also have to keep in mind that the overall talent level of the ladies has increased substantially over the years. At this point, I'd be much more confident with calling Zagitova's case an exception that's quite unlikely to occur again, even moreso because she indeed isn't jumping 3As or quads even now[Which I assume will be required!] and I'd also point out the Eteri factor.
For someone like Chapligina(an okay skater but nowhere near a top talent) from Angels of Plushenko to actually become the top skater for 2022 Olympics, I'd be shocked. But she still is someone we do know and have heard about.
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Just asking out of curiosity but: Why not? I was using Zagitova as an example because she is the most recent one. I daresay that nobody or at least very few knew her before she moved to Eteri. Which was in 2015. It’s 2018 now. Who says there can‘t be any talented girl who‘s currently with an unknown coach but moves to Eteri one or to years before Beijing and becomes the top threat? Some girls peak later than others. Maybe there is one Eteri already took a look at but didn‘t find intriguing/talented/special enough to take up? Maybe they‘ll mature so much and increase their technical ability as well as their artistical? I know you are very invested in Russian skaters and I‘d not dare to fight you on this topic because I don‘t know as much about the younger ones but well... I‘m just not so sure you can rule out the possibilty that there are indeed skaters nobody knows about or peak later and become a surprise talent.
However, I do get your points and I agree that Alina‘s case probably was an exeption but really, all I was trying to say is that it isn‘t set in stone who‘s going to be the new Medvedeva/Zagitova of Beijing or which age group is going to be the most successful. Innate talent does play a major role, of course it does, but there are just so many more factors to take into account.
Oh and that‘s just my opinion but I don‘t think quads will be required so soon. We still don‘t know whether Anna and Sasha can keep them and nobody else is currently able to land them. I agree that Sasha has set a milestone by landing her quads at junior Worlds but that was „only“ in juniors. For quads to be required in seniors there needs to be more than one skater who is able to do them consistently. Quads are still basically unknown in female skating. Of course, I might be wrong at that but that‘s just what I think.
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same program / music that medvedeva skate last year in test skates? very orijinal
Well but Medvedeva‘s program wasn‘t really used so it‘s not that bad that they reuse some of the music for Alena. And it‘s only the first part, I think. Evgenia also had Divenire and January Stars in the same program, so there won‘t be too many similarities.
Yes, and I don't think they used November in Evgenia's program.
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Would be nice to check before you write something...same program / music that medvedeva skate last year in test skates? very orijinal
Evgenia's FS had more than 4 different music parts.
January Stars - by George Winston
Divenire - by Ludovico Einaudi
The Departure (Lullaby) - by Max Richter
Dona Nobis Pacem 2 - by Max Richter
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Would be nice to check before you write something...
Evgenia's FS had more than 4 different music parts.
January Stars - by George Winston
Divenire - by Ludovico Einaudi
The Departure (Lullaby) - by Max Richter
Dona Nobis Pacem 2 - by Max Richter
Ah yes, I forgot the last one. But still, Lullaby was only a very small part of Evgenia‘s freeskate because there were three other pieces used in it. So, I don‘t think Alena‘s FP will be similar at all. And Lullaby‘s beautiful and it fits nicely with the angel theme, so why not use it for Alena? Especially when Evgenia didn’t even skate the program in any major competitions. Most people probably won‘t remember her January Stars program. They remember Anna Karenina and her SP because that‘s what she used at Europeans and the Olympics.
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