2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Orlov]

but her saying she didn't know how Evgenia lost and that they were still analyzing the scores,

Сan you give a link to these words? I have strong suspicions that you mean these words. This has a completely different meaning.

 

[glassanimal]

Сan you give a link to these words? I have strong suspicions that you mean these words. This has a completely different meaning.

First set of words was from a while ago so I'd have to dig. "still analyzing the scores" was from one of the recent news interviews. I'm open to translation errors and alternative interpretations, I just don't understand how anyone could claim to still be analyzing the results at this point.

 

[russianfan]

This is one of the most touching moments in figure skating for me. I'm not even Russian, but I'm deeply moved every time I watch it and hear the reaction from the crowd:

https://youtu.be/ke0iusvydl8?t=337

yeah, that was a very special moment... this is how everyone will remember her, even after 50 or 100 years

 

[Spirals for Miles]

For JGP assignments I think people are forgetting about Vasilieva. She beat Tarakanova, Kanysheva, Sisnitsyna, Shcherbakova, Kostyuk etc at Junior Nationals.

So for me it would indicate that ranking of the juniors prior to test skates will be.
1. Trusova
2. Kostornaya
3. Gubanova (but she is 50:50 going senior)
4. Vasilieva
5. Tarakanova (probably ahead of Gubanova/Vasilieva if healthy given success on the international circuit....she's the only skater I can think of who was scored more harshly at nationals than at a major international comp)
6. Tarusina
7. Kanysheva (I've put her behind Tarusina because she's only a first year junior)
8. Shcherbakova (Again she is ahead of Sinitsyna because Sinitsyna is only a first year junior)
9. Sinitsyna
10. Chistyakova (is apparently not very special/doesn't have amazing results but she is on the same funding level as Sinitsyna and Shcherbakova)
11. Kostyuk (might get bumped up above Sinitsyna/Chistyakova as this is technically her second junior year and she did beat Shecherbakova at Junior Nats)
12. Gulyakova (will most likely skate senior but technically could appear)

Of course once test skates happen these rankings will probably change a lot. For example Vasilieva last year was on the initial JGP team however they bumped her for Kostornaya after Kostornaya did very, very well at test skates.

I disagree a bit here, mainly in Shcherbakova, because they want the quads.
Here's my ranking for spots:

1. Truosva
2. Kostornaya
3. Tarakanova (if she is healthy to come back, I hope she is)
4. Shcherbakova (she's got dem quads)
5. Tarusina (actually won Elder Age)
6. Kanysheva (winner of Younger Age)
7. Sinitsyna (close to Kanysheva, 3Lz-3Lo combo but not as many titles as her last year)
8. Vasilieva (good results at Jr. Nationals but not really anywhere else, already shown to be someone that can be pushed aside)
9. Kostyuk (great skating skills and good jumps, but doesn't have the results yet)
10. Gulyakova
11. Chistyakova (she is not as much of a talent as her national team placement suggests, imo)

I think Gubanova will be given the host spot so I am not including her here. But if she is here, she'd be between Tarusina and Kanysheva

 

[Orlov]

First set of words was from a while ago so I'd have to dig. "still analyzing the scores" was from one of the recent news interviews. I'm open to translation errors and alternative interpretations, I just don't understand how anyone could claim to still be analyzing the results at this point.

I see - it's "broken telephone effect". Eteri said "She did not accept the results of the OG. The whole team was talking to her - we tried to understand(explain) why it happened, why did not have one point"
It's not about "still analyzing the scores", it is about attempt to bring her to reason, and obviously it's about days immediately after the OG.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

For JGP assignments I think people are forgetting about Vasilieva. She beat Tarakanova, Kanysheva, Sisnitsyna, Shcherbakova, Kostyuk etc at Junior Nationals.

But then didn't even qualify for Elder Nationals whereas the others did and won medals, and Tarakanova medaled twice on the JGP and took bronze at the final last year. I am a fan of Vasilieva and was disappointed when I realized that she had only a small chance at a spot, but the depth of this field is unprecedented. I believe they will take into consideration more than the results of junior nationals when selecting the spots, and test skates will be a huge factor. For now I have her as the second reserve behind Sinitsyna/Kanysheva who are behind Trusova, Kostornaia, Gubanova, Tarakanova, Tarusina(winning Elder Nationals was big for her), and Shcherbakova who I believe will receive priority because of the quad and her superior PCS if she can demonstrate them at test skates. If Gubanova gets a senior assignment Vasilieva becomes the first reserve. If one (or possibly two) of Sinitsyna, Kanysheva, or Shcherbakova bombs either test skates or their first JGP she's in.

 

[russianfan]

seriously, i feel like at this point RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

 

[Spirals for Miles]

seriously, i feel like at this moment RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

Best post of the day

 

[zounger]

seriously, i feel like at this point RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

You may end up with white noise though. We want to see some figure skating harmonics to jump here and there.

 

[serephy]

Oh I agree 100% that after test skates Shcherbakova shoot right up the ranking and Vasilieva will probably drop a couple of places. I was simply talking about their positions going into the test skates....unfortunately Shcherbakova didn't have a good season (understandably). Like I mentioned in my clarification I do think Shcherbakova is a much better skater than Vasilieva (even without quads) and of course with quads she will skip most of the queue for JGP spots.

Honestly I think after test skates then the ranking will be;
1. Trusova
2. Kostornaya/Shcherbakova (Shcherbakova with a quad/quad combo is above Kostornaya, without quads I would put her just below)
4. Tarusina (I vaguely recall rumours about a quad toe)
5. Kanysheva
6. Sinitsyna/Kostyuk/Vasilieva - Sisnitsyna is disadvantaged potentially by the fact that both Kostyuk and Vasilieva are 2nd year seniors but she does have more difficult jumps - I would argue that having pushed Vasilieva out of the way last year they might be more inclined to give her something this year (it also helps breaks up the Eteri/Panova domination)
10. Chistyakova - I agree her nationals team placement seems premature given results but it does tell me that someone in the Fed is interested in promoting her (which is always a help when it comes to being assigned JGP spots)

I haven't ranked Tarakanova because I have no idea what she's doing at the moment/how her preparation for test skates is going. If healthy/at the level of last season I would probably rank her as equal with a quadless Shcherbakova. Even if she had regressed I wouldn't put her much below Vasilieva/Sinitsyna/Kostyuk once politicking and past results come into play.

I agree that Gubanova is unlikely to stay junior given she has a good shot at the host spot (I think she will get it unless Samodurova somehow manages to medal at Skate America).

 

[glassanimal]

I see - it's "broken telephone effect". Eteri said "She did not accept the results of the OG. The whole team was talking to her - we tried to understand(explain) why it happened, why did not have one point"
It's not about "still analyzing the scores", it is about attempt to bring her to reason, and obviously it's about days immediately after the OG.

hmm, you could be right. But Russians were arguing about this as well, so I'm not sure...

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

This seems smart. However, I'm still hopeful that Gubanova will be announced earlier than normal as the host spot (and then both Kanysheva and Sinitsyna can compete on the JGP)

I agree with this. Trusova, Kostornaia, Tarakanova, Shcherbakova, Sinitsyna, Kanysheva, and Tarusina (who despite competing at senior nationals has never had a chance on the JGP) are my favorite "true" juniors and the ones I have been hoping would get the spots, with Vasilieva as the first alterate. Gubanova, Samodurova, Panenkova, and Konstantinova I believe should move up and 3/4 are. Hopefully Gubanova will get her chance. We all know she should have been at Junior Worlds.

I also want them to realize that it is not a bad thing to have a silver medal at the first event, and that even with a first silver, they are still likely to make the final and so should assign them a second spot. If they hadn't played with Konstantinova and/or Fedichkina last year, Gulyakova could've gotten a second event and thus made the final all-Russian. This is what they should be going for -- an all-Russian JGPF. It shows their dominance, and that's what they want to show. This year's only really challengers are Nana Araki (Japan) and Young You (Korea) if she lands her 3A that she supposedly has (but might not even go into competition yet). Still, the Russians should easily be able to make an all-Russian final. While Araki is consistent, she doesn't have as high of a technical standard as they do, and while Young You has that 3A, she's extremely inconsistent.

Also agree. I think most of us were confused by the way they handled the JGP assignments last year. It seems to me that the goal was to give as many people a chance as possible rather than trying to qualify as many as possible for the final, and the latter should be paramount. If 2 Russians are competing then naturally someone has to come second. 1-2 is a great result and two silvers is usually enough to qualify for a final. They need to be looking at 7 girls at two spots each period, with others getting a chance only if one of them definitively falls out of contention for the final at their first assignment. Losing to Araki or You may be another story depending on how the points are looking but there is no way a 1-2 Russian result should disqualify the second place finisher for a second assignment. That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Grin]

seriously, i feel like at this point RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

Не пали контору! (looks like you have just exposed them)

 

[Orlov]

seriously, i feel like at this point RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

Or like this (south park rule!)

 

[tars]

seriously, i feel like at this point RusFed can just select skaters for JGP using random.org and they will end up at the very least with 4-5 skaters in the JGPF nonetheless

I bet Young You and Yelim Kim disagree.

 

[Fluture]

I bet Young You and Yelim Kim disagree.

Yelim Kim beating the 4 or 5 top Russians? Njet. As in, no way.

 

[tars]

Yelim Kim beating the 4 or 5 top Russians? Njet. As in, no way.

I think JGPF will be 4 Russians+Yelim,Young or(and) some mystery Japanese newcomer.

 

[Fluture]

I think JGPF will be 4 Russians+Yelim,Young or(and) some mystery Japanese newcomer.

Is Yelim really that good? Interesting, I didn‘t know that... I‘d count on the Japanese, though. They‘re a bit like Russian (even though certainly not to that extent)

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I think JGPF will be 4 Russians+Yelim,Young or(and) some mystery Japanese newcomer.

Oh come on... how will Yelim, Young, or "some mystery Japanese newcomer" beat two/three of Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova, Tarakanova, Tarusina, Kanysheva, and Sinitsyna? These are the best girls of their generation -- not just in their country. They are the best in the world and doing what no one has ever done before. Sure You Young might put her 3A into competition, but so might Kostornaya, and a 3A only works when everything else works too (just ask Mirai). Considering she is not known for consistency or delivering when it matters most, I'm doubtful that she'll be a threat. And Yelim and mystery Japanese lady have nothing extraordinary going for them. Trusova and Shcherbakova have quads, Kostornaya has her 3A (and Young MIGHT too, but Kostornaya's looked much stronger), Tarusina has 3Lz-1Lo-3F, Sinitsyna has 3Lz-3Lo, for example. Tarakanova doesn't have the ultra-c elements but she does what she does wonderfully and she has much better skating skills than Yelim. Kanysheva isn't the best talent but she has done 3Lz-3Lo before (in elements) and she consistently delivers her content. All of these ladies do when healthy, and that's more than can be said for any other country's ladies.

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Is Yelim really that good? Interesting, I didn‘t know that... I‘d count on the Japanese, though. They‘re a bit like Russian (even though certainly not to that extent)

Only Japanese that can really do something is Nana Araki. But she will probably be overshadowed by the Russians, as much as I like her. And no, I don't think Yelim is as good as tars makes her out to be. She didn't even make JWC.

 

[Fluture]

Oh come on... how will Yelim, Young, or "some mystery Japanese newcomer" beat two/three of Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova, Tarakanova, Tarusina, Kanysheva, and Sinitsyna? These are the best girls of their generation -- not just in their country. They are the best in the world and doing what no one has ever done before. Sure You Young might put her 3A into competition, but so might Kostornaya, and a 3A only works when everything else works too (just ask Mirai). Considering she is not known for consistency or delivering when it matters most, I'm doubtful that she'll be a threat. And Yelim and mystery Japanese lady have nothing extraordinary going for them. Trusova and Shcherbakova have quads, Kostornaya has her 3A (and Young MIGHT too, but Kostornaya's looked much stronger), Tarusina has 3Lz-1Lo-3F, Sinitsyna has 3Lz-3Lo, for example. Tarakanova doesn't have the ultra-c elements but she does what she does wonderfully and she has much better skating skills than Yelim. Kanysheva isn't the best talent but she has done 3Lz-3Lo before (in elements) and she consistently delivers her content. All of these ladies do when healthy, and that's more than can be said for any other country's ladies.

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Only Japanese that can really do something is Nana Araki. But she will probably be overshadowed by the Russians, as much as I like her. And no, I don't think Yelim is as good as tars makes her out to be. She didn't even make JWC.

So you reckon we‘ll have an all Russian final? That definitely sounds great but I don‘t think it‘s going to happen. Not because the Russians aren‘t the most talented overall but because Japan will probably want to have at least one skater in there, too like last year with Kihira. But I don‘t care about politicking, I want Russian JGPF sweep and not only the podium, EVERY single place.